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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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There's nothing magical about it. All that's needed is control of the media your target consumes. "Manufacturing Consent" by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky covers how this works. The Taliban consume the Koran. They reject most forms of mass media. Thus it's very hard to manipulate them into a western lifestyle. The alternative would be to find their "opinion leaders" and coerce them. Anyway, it's naïve to think th…

It'd be naive if there were any indications of "these techniques" existing beyond extremely vague hand-wavy conspiracy implications. Just throwing out the name of Chomsky's book is not an actual evidence of anything. Tell me which specifically Gitmo-CIA-black-site-derived techniques you mean. You don't have to spell out the whole Chomsky, just name a couple, 2-3 sentences would be enough.

Daddy, what is top-secret unknown unknown?

Perhaps next you'll ask me to list three NSA zero-days?

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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At the moment there seem to be many more (or at least many) 'anti' government movies around - those portraying the CIA and other organisations as corrupt, self serving or incompetent - the Bourne series etc. Even "Eye in the Sky" gave me an overwhelming sense that the military use of drones was poorly managed and the decision making process was incompetent.

Burn after reading is a very funny movie about CIA (and human) incompetence.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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> You don’t see in these movies american soldiers raping civilans, laughing about it, and suffering no ill consequences Have you watched Apocalypse Now Redux? Because I can remember a scene that is very similar to that description. In this movie, the American military or government has no good heart, no conscience and breeds madness and senseless death.

When I joined the (Canadian) military in the mid 90s, many of the guys there cited anti-war films such as 'Apocalypse Now', 'Full Metal Jacket' and 'Platoon' as inspirations for signing up. Nobody cited 'Rambo' or 'Top Gun'

Those three films are very attractive to teenage boys and young men.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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post #536

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There's nothing magical about it. All that's needed is control of the media your target consumes. "Manufacturing Consent" by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky covers how this works. The Taliban consume the Koran. They reject most forms of mass media. Thus it's very hard to manipulate them into a western lifestyle. The alternative would be to find their "opinion leaders" and coerce them. Anyway, it's naïve to think th…

It'd be naive if there were any indications of "these techniques" existing beyond extremely vague hand-wavy conspiracy implications. Just throwing out the name of Chomsky's book is not an actual evidence of anything. Tell me which specifically Gitmo-CIA-black-site-derived techniques you mean. You don't have to spell out the whole Chomsky, just name a couple, 2-3 sentences would be enough.

Well when you have technical systems that have the ability to influence what you buy, what movies you see, what you eat, how you view politics and so on it tends to take on an insidious role in peoples lives without them even realizing it. I also tend to subscribe to the notion that large groups of people tend to jump through various states of psychosis based on external input from media and things that happen in the world. This puts people in an emotional state where what the see and hear can have a different impact than if they were thinking rationally. It's one reason why something like QAnon worked so well as a mind virus, it's the one thing that triggers the emotional versus logical response for everyone.

Then I think you can look back at recent events from the past decade or more and see the impact of this. Whether you want to start with Kazakhstan this past week, the way opposing groups were targeted to fight each other in real life like was seen in Houston, or the reaction to a "youtube video" during Benghazi in Libya, the way that Trump and Cambridge Analytica kind of took over the GOP, or maybe even how Obama went from a relatively unknown politician to having a cult of personality around him a few months later. Another part of the psychological aspect of it is something called the information-action ratio. Basically people are overwhelmed with information that they can do absolutely nothing about. This leads to certain emotional responses caused by feeling a loss of control that also makes people more easily manipulated by what they are fed by these systems.

It's not much of a conspiracy if you have used technology and tried to pay attention to how it makes you feel and act at times. This is a large part of how so many people became radicalized from recommendation engines and targeted advertisements. It's like mind hacking in a way. But that's just like, my opinion, man.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I am not saying that these definitions don't exist, I am confused why that relates at all to what I said in my original comment. All I said was that it's a red flag for me when people use the word woke to slander anything politically left they don't like. When they once used "marxist", "communist", "liberal" and other words to just quickly dismiss things they simply don't like (without these things relating at all to…

You did say that the definitions did not exist (e.g., above when you denied wikipedia had such a definition). But in any case I don't know what your initial post had to do with what was being discussed. I don't jump into any thread to post about how one or other extremist group uses some word. If you are going to accuse the original poster as being a racist or extremist or something then just come out with it. And if…

You are misquoting me really heavily by saying that I said this definition doesn't exist.

That's what you can read in my comment: "The Wikipedia definition you quote funnily enough is the one I described, "Opponents of progressive social movements often use the term MOCKINGLY or SARCASTICALLY, implying that 'wokeness' is an insincere form of performative activism."" and then I mentioned that this is the definition for PEJORATIVE uses.

At this point I can only assume that you act in bad faith or have severe struggles with reading, seeing how you ignore most of what I say and misenterpret the cherry-picked rest.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I first read it as in “stay woke”, a reminder that your survival depends on seeing through people’s bullshit. And the most harmful bullshit is that racism is a personal failing rather than a system working as designed; designed by people who will not peacefully let it go.

> the most harmful bullshit is that racism is a personal failing rather than a system working as designed; designed by people who will not peacefully let it go. Yes, an essential point. But it's also a personal choice.

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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> blatant discrimination against men and white people in hiring and admissions If you look at who is hired and admitted, that discrimination isn't accomplishing much! Also, discrimination is about power; in its significant meaning, it requires power. If the owner of a tiny restuarant discriminates against you because you are a white male person, it is obnoxious but that is all the damage; you are safe, just go somepl…

I am looking at who is hired and admitted. Whites are underrepresented at these institutions, like Harvard and Google.

Being discriminated against in hiring by the government and most major academic and media organizations is being discriminated against by power. We're not talking about mom and pop shops, obviously.

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