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This is fucking stupid.
No you’re a dissembling idiot trying to wheedle your bigotry. This will go fine for a while but you’ll become a stone hearted shell in due time.
What bigotry, exactly?
YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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You were just insinuating it was a plot to hide dislikes on videos of Biden and Fauci.
Add big media to that list. CNN and friends are not happy about the fact that indies can clean their clocks. Personally, I do not feel POTUS needs dislikes hidden, no matter who the POTUS is. Biden, at this time, has a pretty low approval rating and has not made good on many promises people value highly. And I only mention that to highlight the large number of dislikes make sense! Same goes for CNN and friends, who r…
What “broad and sustained” opposition? You’re off in fantasy land. And again, the fact that these changes long predate the political issues you’re talking about suggests your theory is wrong.
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
#573Earlier quoted context omitted.
Add big media to that list. CNN and friends are not happy about the fact that indies can clean their clocks. Personally, I do not feel POTUS needs dislikes hidden, no matter who the POTUS is. Biden, at this time, has a pretty low approval rating and has not made good on many promises people value highly. And I only mention that to highlight the large number of dislikes make sense! Same goes for CNN and friends, who r…
What “broad and sustained” opposition? You’re off in fantasy land. And again, the fact that these changes long predate the political issues you’re talking about suggests your theory is wrong.
Number of proponents is far less than opponents.
Changes to favor big media are unpopular. Changes to hide dislike data, which further underscores the favoring of big media, are unpopular.
There are other things, and I see no need to detail them.
This is all about both suppressing dissent and the support for it.
Unless you have a super compelling alternative...
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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Yep, this person is creating a correlation where there is none, and everyone is just riding the confirmation bias. It's strange how HN collectively throw their skeptical side out of the window and accept a single anecdotal evidence as proof whenever it's a topic like this. This is just a shadowban / temporary suspension from commenting, and there is no evidence it's in any way related to "criticizing dislike removal"…
>there is no evidence it's in any way related to "criticizing dislike removal" That was the last thing he commented which strongly suggests it is. The other few comments he showed were innocent ones praising animations and stuff too.
Since his last comment is still visible, it's the comment he left afterwards that may have actually started the ban (and was removed). So this could be disingenuous.
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
#575As of Dec 6, 2021, no changes for me, I'm still seeing dislike thumbs-down on youtube (and its count), I can click it and see the increment. They might only be removing it for individuals they don't want clicking dislike? Evidently that would be many of you.
Why am I still allowed? I'll take a guess ...
They like my dislikes since I frequently 'dislike' videos I actually like as a strategy, I do so specifically for truth-tellers that I figure youtube doesn't like, for two reasons:
(1) I write algorithms and thus know it causes pain for YT algorithm writers, going ... crud, the pattern is not as easy as expected so now I have to write another exception/condition. Each one makes their code more complex of course and a little bit less maintainable. (2) To help protect the content creator from rising to top of the list for getting canceled as the higher the views combined with the ratio of likes/dislikes the more likely humans in the office will be talking about them and drool over dropping the axe.
I'm subscribed to over 200 channels but many are truth-tellers. Others are science/engineering/computing but some are even lefties, and of those, when they are pushing the official narrative bull, sometimes I upvote (the opposite of what I really think).
For 1+ years I've been saving my comments to be able to prove in court some day that I am civil yet often shadow-banned (2.48 MB today). Anyone can sue via the Sherman Antitrust Act etc etc in Federal court for collusion and so on.
(YT likes people trying to viciously tear each other's throats out, good times, but posting intelligent informative content does not serve to create a wonderfully dumb underclass. Yesterday for example, someone had asked how to really understand voltage, was asking for help and my reply was deleted immediately).
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
#576As of Dec 6, 2021, no changes for me, I'm still seeing dislike thumbs-down on youtube (and its count), I can click it and see the increment. They might only be removing it for individuals they don't want clicking dislike? Evidently that would be many of you. Why am I still allowed? I'll take a guess ... They like my dislikes since I frequently 'dislike' videos I actually like as a strategy, I do so specifically for t…
I'll take it one step further. I appears, surely, youtube's code is so refined now, when I am away from youtube for awhile they lure me back by making some older comments of mine visible to some people so likes from others occur. If I were not being shadow-banned, perhaps my comments would be rising up towards the top, can't have that as they are well-aware that I am one who disbelieves every narrative.
I'm only aware of one comment of mine with more than a mere handful of likes. Currently at 3.9K, quoting the scientist in the video ...
"Cats may purr for any number of reasons" Scientist code for: We weren't able to get a cat to purr to study it
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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What “broad and sustained” opposition? You’re off in fantasy land. And again, the fact that these changes long predate the political issues you’re talking about suggests your theory is wrong.
Number of proponents is far less than opponents. Changes to favor big media are unpopular. Changes to hide dislike data, which further underscores the favoring of big media, are unpopular. There are other things, and I see no need to detail them. This is all about both suppressing dissent and the support for it. Unless you have a super compelling alternative...
I think the simple answer is just that platforms have been concerned a long time that their user bases are too mean.
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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> By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. Why?
Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.
You are spot on here. I encountered a short viral video on YouTube the other day which used the dislike removal to their advantage. It was a clickbait titled video with millions of views, and oddly there were only two supporting comments that had several thousand likes. The rest of the comments that probably called out the video being clickbait were obviously deleted. Usually I'm able to parse the comments quickly to see what the video is really about, then navigate somewhere else, but not this time... I watched until the end.
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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Suppose a person hired by Google is paid $60 per hour, and can review 20 video comments in that time with a reasonable thoughtfulness. So every human review costs Google $3. The entire revenue of $20B could be blown through on reviewing 6B comments. If you want to keep this activity to 10% of revenue, that caps you to 600M comments. > No it's not And I specifically said the site operators; people hired by Google to m…
Suppose a person is hired by google is paid $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 per hour and they can review one video every 5000 years. Google is bankrupt in 8 minutes and we are all dead for thousands of years before one video is reviewed and all the economic activity of all of humanity between now and then is not enough to pay the bill for it. GIGO, your numbers are incredibly rediculous.
OK, put on your manager hat.
What do you think is the average number of quality, thoughtful reviews you can obtain per hour, from an individual, week over week, month over month?
Don't forget that people eat lunch, pee, call in sick and have productivity slumps.
And how little do you think they should be paid?
Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
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Suppose a person is hired by google is paid $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 per hour and they can review one video every 5000 years. Google is bankrupt in 8 minutes and we are all dead for thousands of years before one video is reviewed and all the economic activity of all of humanity between now and then is not enough to pay the bill for it. GIGO, your numbers are incredibly rediculous.
OK, put on your manager hat. What do you think is the average number of quality, thoughtful reviews you can obtain per hour, from an individual, week over week, month over month? Don't forget that people eat lunch, pee, call in sick and have productivity slumps. And how little do you think they should be paid?
It takes about 5 seconds to read an average length comment.
Lets just assume perfect efficiency and then handicap it to account for lunch, peeing, pooping, killer bee attacks, etc. How about peak efficiency * 3/8, which basically says you only expect your workers to 'work' 40 hours per week, but in an 8 hour day only actually get 3 hours of work done?
Lets say a long youtube comment takes about a minute to read at most, and since we aren't going to quiz people for comprehension later we just need them to see if there is anything objectionable in the comment, we can take 1 minute to be a hard upper bound for the time it takes to handle one comment. The shortest comments take around 5 seconds. Let's assume the average is about 15 seconds (most comments are less than 1/4 the length of the longest comments).
So given the above they can do (3 hours/day * 60 minutes/hour) * 4 comments/minute == 720 comments/day. If we are forced to hire in the US we can easily find people to do this work for $25/hour working from home.
So every human review costs ((8*25)/720) == 27 cents. This is like 1/10th of your estimate and I feel like I'm going out of my way to make the numbers unrealistic in your favor.
Realistic numbers would be that it takes 15 seconds per comment on average and you hire people part time so they don't get burned out on reading comments (or full time but only part of their day is spent reviewing comments). With the same numbers as above, but not paying them to poop and pee for 5 hours out of an 8 hour day gets the cost per review to like 8 cents.