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Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by xdennis »

timdaub wrote: post #369

I find it ironic that there are plenty comments that paint the picture of how mandatory vaccinations divide the country. Hello? Have you been awake for the last month? How much more divided can a country already be when the absolute democratic majority has made their decision months ago to take the shot but 30% are holding everyone back. Anyone in my family or from my friends that has taken one for the team (and got…

Your logic is insane. There are countries were a majority agrees with female/male circumcision. I guess you'd be the first to go slashing at people's genitals because the minority is holding everyone back.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by _moof »

guilhas wrote: post #321

The future looks grim with governments mandating health procedures on the population against their will

All kinds of vaccines have been mandatory for generations. You wouldn't have been allowed to attend school if you hadn't had loads of them. In the US for instance all schoolchildren are required to be vaccinated against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, varicella, measles, and rubella, and almost all states also require vaccinations against mumps and hepatitis B. So please don't act like requiring vaccination is some unprecedented erosion of personal liberty, because it just plain isn't.

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Post by polote »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #513
TacticalCoder wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... but 30% are holding everyone back. Not at all and I can turn that argument back: I know non-vaccinated people who stay at home and "evil" fully vaccinated people who go out. It is a fact that vaccinated people can still carry and transmit the virus. It is also a fact that in the EU 40 to 60% of all ICU beds are filled with fully vaccinated people (40% in Spain atm but the number is going up, 50% in Belgium, 60%…

> 40 to 60% of all ICU beds are filled with fully vaccinated people Though correct, this is a dumb statistic used to peddle antivax propaganda. As vaccination rates rise, this number also rises. If 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of all Covid ICU patients would be vaccinated. Spain has quite high vaccination rates, which is why this ratio is so high there.

You missed the point of op. The point was that it is not unvaccinated people who fill up icu beds. That's everyone. If you kill all unvaccinated people you have 100% vaccination rate and icu beds will still fill up

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by stormking »

timdaub wrote: post #369

I find it ironic that there are plenty comments that paint the picture of how mandatory vaccinations divide the country. Hello? Have you been awake for the last month? How much more divided can a country already be when the absolute democratic majority has made their decision months ago to take the shot but 30% are holding everyone back. Anyone in my family or from my friends that has taken one for the team (and got…

I don't understand this line of thinking. Voluntarily taking the shot yourself is completely different from making a "majority decision". Off course I got vaccinated, but I'm totally opposed to forcing it on people.

It is absolutely crazy how easy it was for our incompetent politicians to blame people WHO ARE NOT EVEN BREAKING ANY LAWS for their own disastrous communication (just remember those "mask are actually bad for you" talking points when there weren't any) and overall pandemic management.

They constantly lied to us on every step of the way and now they're surprised that some people don't trust them?

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by jseban »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #531

I think the biggest unsung problems in this saga, is actually one of marketing. The average person has experience with vaccines that have 3 properties: (1) long lasting, (2) prevent contagion (3) and major symptoms. By calling the mRNA shot a vaccine , the WHO and CDC transferred such properties to the shot. That may have been great for encouraging adoption, but also comes with consequences particularly if two vaccin…

And also (4) prevent you from getting sick. Which the mRNA does not, the vaccine itself makes you really sick.

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Post by generalizations »

rbanffy wrote: post #524
generalizations wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since unvaccinated people are more likely to cause the virus to mutate We might get more mutations from unvaccinated people, but since the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission we'll get much more virulent mutations from the vaccinated people.

Hence the need to isolate the unvaccinated, to protect them so they don’t get these new breeds and don’t make new ones based on them that reinfect the larger population.

> and don’t make new ones based on them that reinfect the larger population

The new breeds made by the unvaccinated are necessarily less dangerous and virulent, just based on the relevant evolutionary pressures (the more dangerous breeds that make people bedridden don't spread).

The new breeds made by the vaccinated, on the other hand - those have zero evolutionary pressure to become less dangerous, and can just as easily become more so (someone with a mutation that would make an unvaccinated person bedridden feels no effect and spreads it everywhere they go).

If COVID becomes less deadly but more widespread, and becomes part of the yearly flu season, blame that on the unvaccinated. But if COVID mutates to become more deadly and resistant to vaccines, blame the vaccinated.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by [deleted] »

timdaub wrote: post #369

I find it ironic that there are plenty comments that paint the picture of how mandatory vaccinations divide the country. Hello? Have you been awake for the last month? How much more divided can a country already be when the absolute democratic majority has made their decision months ago to take the shot but 30% are holding everyone back. Anyone in my family or from my friends that has taken one for the team (and got…

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Post by native_samples »

Krasnol wrote: post #186
locallost wrote: post #127

As a foreigner living in Germany I could live with it if there were otherwise sound measures, but it's mostly been a bunch of wishful thinking. There was a rush last summer to open everything up despite it being relatively clear it was way too early and a lot of people really understood it as "corona is over". Even this I could understand, but this year they do the same thing again! Surprise, surprise that there is a…

There was a paper recently circulating the media which shows the immense amount of "esoteric" people in German speaking countries. Those people are responsible for the staggering vaccination numbers and spreading of conspiracy myths around this crisis. It's so prevalent, I can't remember anyone who at least once spread some unscientific bullshit in the last 2 years here. The handling of those people in the media and…

The problem with this claim is that vaccine fanatics spread vast amounts of misinformation themselves, and often rely on it for their core arguments.

Just in this thread alone, we can find people saying:

1. Vaccines would let us wipe out COVID (wrong).

2. Even harsher lockdowns would let us wipe out COVID (wrong).

3. Vaccines stop people transmitting it (wrong).

4. Vaccinated people don't end up in ICU with COVID (wrong).

5. Sweden had unusually bad outcomes (wrong).

6. That it's "very normal" for people to take yearly flu shots (wrong, only ~35% uptake amongst at risk patients in 2019).

And that's not even a full list. There's not only a large set of factually incorrect beliefs amongst vaccine mandate fanatics (and that's the only word for you guys now), but also a generalized incorrect belief that it's the other side who are badly informed.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

timdaub wrote: post #369

I find it ironic that there are plenty comments that paint the picture of how mandatory vaccinations divide the country. Hello? Have you been awake for the last month? How much more divided can a country already be when the absolute democratic majority has made their decision months ago to take the shot but 30% are holding everyone back. Anyone in my family or from my friends that has taken one for the team (and got…

1. There's little concern about those with natural immunity who have recovered from COVID. It makes zero sense to induce extra risk of side effects from a "vaccine" if the patient already has natural immunity.

2. Research is indicating that in breakthrough infections to fully vaccinated people, the viral load is the same. [1]

3. The vaccines don't _prevent infection_ unlike the "classic" childhood vaccines. They are merely prophylactics that are incorrectly called vaccines to encourage people to get them and reduce hospitalization rate.

4. Everyone has their own individual level of risk. Healthy, young people have an infinitesimal rate of death from this virus compared to the old and infirm.

[1]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

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Post by amaccuish »

CountDrewku wrote: post #296
serial_dev wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what to say without being labeled an anti vaxxer... I was very sick for a week after each shot. I'm 30, I work from home, I work out, I'm lean and only go out when running in the forest and buy food. I can't possibly know what would happen if I caught covid, but I wish the vaccination (I'm already vaxxed, but I mean the boosters) was my choice. With my reaction to the vaccines, it's two weeks a year guarante…

Yes I had a horrible reaction to the 2nd dose. So did everyone I know. Yes it's possible the real thing might be worse for me but I'm going to take my chances. I will not be taking a booster. I'm healthy, exercise regularly and I'm not in the age group that's high-risk. There are studies showing the vaccine isn't even effective at 3 months. There's no way I'm dealing with that shot every 3-6 months.

I had no reaction to the first 2 or boosters, nor my friends. The plural of anecdote is not data.

What I can say is the Corona I had between the 2nd and booster lasted 1 day, the fastest cold I've ever had. That I had a light infection being due to my vaccination, is backed up by the data.

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