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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by lowbloodsugar » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

d3nj4l wrote: post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

The Pro is faster than a laptop 3050Ti [1]. The Max is slightly slower than a laptop 3080 (looks like 8%). [2] Relative performance is somewhat meaningless, and of course also depends on what features where being used. However, my M1 Air compared extremely favorably against similarly priced PC offerings, and I expect my 16" M1 Max will compare favorably with a 3070.

[1] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...

[2] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by ArlenBales » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:56 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Great specs, but since I already have an 2020 M1 MacBook Pro, I'll hold off for a few more years. I'm hoping by then Apple finally has an OLED (or equivalent) screen for their MacBooks.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by poo-yie » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:56 PM UTC

Really impressed by the new MacBook Pro. Part of me would really like to order a 14" model with M1 Pro and 32GB RAM. However, I really don't like Apple's direction with macOS. I'm still running a 13" MacBook Pro from 2013.

What's a little strange is that I first came to Mac with the introduction of OSX 10.0 although I wasn't overly keen of the hardware at the time. Now, I feel that the situation is reversed. I really like the hardware and am beginning to despise the software -- possibly to the point of abandoning the platform completely.

Several years ago, I moved my music collection out of Apple's software and I use an Android phone. I use an old iPad for web browsing and Youtube. I purposefully transitioned to a point where I can leave the Mac platform without a huge effort. It makes me wonder.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by darkwater » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

1-more wrote: post #537

darkwater wrote: post #525

> HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Gonna be downvoted for the snark but... I'd like to hear now how the "a usb-c dongle fixes everything and it's perfect" Apple crowd will backpedal on this.

I think everyone thought that was just over the horizon for a long time, and it never quite got there. My monitor is my dongle for everything, but I'm lucky in that I didn't have a monitor before the USB-C everything era.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on that camp myself, I have a Dell XPS with 2 usb-c and my LG monitor is my dongle when at home and I love it. And if I were the traveling consultant type I would just use a dongle, until everything is usb-c. I was totally on Apple side also when they removed the dvd drive when optical disks where still being used widely. It was the right tradeoff to have slimmer laptops.

I was just being snarky at the Apple fanbase that cheers every Apple decision, no matter what. Especially when Apple itself backpedals on something.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by black3r » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

bumped up RAM limit but the RAM price is now more than triple the consumer price Top-Tier 32GB RAM costs 150€ and the Apple 32GB RAM costs 460€.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by timmit » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Yeah, as a mac user, I could not believe it,

I sold my pro (2015) Bought a pro (2019) with 4 usb-c, even I missed the megasafe.

Now they changed back to 2015, feel cheated by Apple :(

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by yellowapple » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #473

I don't plan to go back to MagSafe. I have multiport USB-C chargers all round my house and don't really want to buy lots of cables or proprietary chargers to add to the mix. I'm sticking with USB-C even if it's slower. SD cards I don't use. And HDMI I rarely use so dongles are fine, but it's nice to have I guess!

In a similar boat re: chargers. It's fantastic being able to grab any ol' USB-C charger (of sufficient power) and charge just about any modern laptop short of maybe the beefier gaming laptops / portable workstations (I haven't tried charging my Dell G5 via USB-C, for example, so maybe it'd work, but I ain't betting on it).

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by city41 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

trebor wrote: post #521

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

Actually, they kept one of the oldest mistakes: overcharging. $400 to upgrade from 16GB RAM to 32GB. $200 to upgrade to 1TB SSD. These guys control the whole supply chain without middlemen like WD, Samsung, Crucial, etc — and they charge basically double what anyone else charges. I'm not paying $2k for a laptop below what I need as a developer, when Apple is ridiculous. Inflation is murder right now, and they JACK th…

Before all the touchbar and butterfly keyboard nonsense, MacBooks were the best laptops on the market, hands down. It looks like they may have reclaimed that spot with this update. I'd argue worth the premium if that is the case.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by asdff » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

chrisBob wrote: post #235

I have been waiting on this announcement to buy a new Mac, but now that they are out, I don't think I will buy one. The prices are 2x a Macbook Air, but the utility for me doesn't match. If the 14" was closer to the previous 13" MBP price of $1500 I would be ordering one now, but I will be getting a Macbook Air instead. Note to Veterans: Apple gives a 10% Veterans discount on everything, including the refurbished sto…

Isn't the actual macbook pro always like $1800 or more? It's been confusing since they were selling two different computers both called the macbook pro for so long, but the workhouse with dual fans was always this much and that wouldn't even get you the RAM bumped up to 16" specs iirc.