What people should be slightly more concerned about is how now abusive behavior is allowed against people who are not considered to be "protected" under Californian state law.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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It's probably a troll. Man, the passionated bikeshedding over CoCs in some communities and even in here, with many extremist viewpoints from both sides, makes me glad I'm not really attached to any community. If they're stupid, why should I spend the emotional energy? Just walk away.
That's the whole point of CoCs: divide and conquer. As a result people "Just walk away". Assets paid by Microsoft, IBM, Salesforce and Google are pushing this.
On the topic of extremist viewpoint, this one's (in my first reaction) is off the scale... I'd ask you if you got proof, but as I wrote above, I'm not sure I want to spend my evening reading conspiracy websites. But hey, maybe you can "guide me to the light"?
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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This happens so often one wonders if "inclusivity" is an actual goal of some of these people, or if it's a sort of an ideological trojan horse.
I think about this blog post from the creator of redis whenever some thing like this comes up: http://antirez.com/news/122 . > I believe that political correctness has a puritan root. As such it focuses on formalities, but actually it has a real root of prejudice against others.
That's a good post. Heck, our new woke overlords should just put all their SV-billions together in one giant piggy bank and start paying some reparations instead of terrorizing everyone with this political-correctness facade. Now that would be VCs making the world a better place. <3
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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I could see it going either way, but come on, no one in their right mind would think that that's an appropriate joke to make in a public thread with members of a professional community.
"No one in their right mind" - Again, maybe it's because I see a version of my younger self, but it seems oversensitive! Yes, I know we are now in a world where any joke in the workplace that bases itself on "protected class" is theoretically off-limits. But that switch has flipped rapidly, and on top of it, that joke was truly minor. If it was an aggression, it really puts the micro in microaggression. But to read t…
Yeah like I said, I could see it going either way. I think your response would be reasonable, and I would be on board with it. I've never been in charge of an open source community so it's hard to say exactly what I'd do, but you're right that typically these kinds of decisions persist in perpetuity. With that in mind I'd be more likely to have a conversation, so long as the person can demonstrate that they understand why those jokes can't be tolerated.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#575The change indicated in the title[1] was made on foot of trolling by the user @hmdne It's really a remarkable failure of communication. It doesn't appear anyone read what he was saying carefully. They just looked at the first two lines of his proposal and assumed they understood his intent. And then when encouraged he actually made the change. And they actually merged it. It's amazing that people who are apparently p…
Wow I didn't catch that at first, but you are right. This comment illustrates it even more
> That's common sense. We all know who are protected classes. For instance, members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class. [1]
And
> Members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class because they financially contribute to the cause [2]
[1] https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690#issuecom...
[2] https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690#issuecom...
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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It makes it easier to fight trolls who hide behind bad faith arguments.
"Did you intend to say that you dislike me because I'm gay?" is a pretty easy way to route out a troll. Sincere apology or not, you get to know. I've been moderating communities for 15 years, I've seen tricks from all manner of trolls and handling trolls with an even hand is still tricky; but being genuinely inquisitive is usually the easiest way to get around it. Even when tensions are high it makes people feel hear…
"I'm just highlight how fragile and deranged you are, funny how you instantly tied it to homosexuality though, must be suppressed hatred! I'm surprised your wife's boyfriend lets you post such stupid garbage."/s
You don't get to know anything. Good trolls have also been trolling for 15 years, they've seen tricks from all manner of jannies... See where I'm going with that?
Saying that, I do agree with you, staying inquisitive and positive with bad trolls typically tampers down their rage.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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"Protected class" means stuff like race, sex or veteran status. So if you harass a random conference-goer at a Ruby-focused event, that cannot be addressed under the CoC because you haven't evidenced harassment towards a protected class as a whole (e.g. all veterans)? How does that even make sense?
From the PR: https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690 > @hmdne commented yesterday > @Try2Code A protected class is a group of people that has been historically discriminated or a group of people we (as humanity) want to privilege to offset the years of discrimination - but that's not all. For example the People of Color are a protected class, because of slavery. Members of board of directors of the big co…
> Members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class because they financially contribute to the cause
Uhhhh this person has to be trolling, right?
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#578Twitter has made everyone neurotic and negative... e.g. very sensitive to perceived insults. Anyway, the same people that push these changes are some of the most hateful people on twitter towards people on the right of the political spectrum.
Especially after the refugees from Tumblr started to flood Twitter with their insanity.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#579From the discussion of the PR: > A protected class is a group of people that has been historically discriminated or a group of people we (as humanity) want to privilege to offset the years of discrimination - but that's not all. For example the People of Color are a protected class, because of slavery. Members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class because they financially contribute to t…
> Why is the discourse centered around one specific Californian policy? The same person calls it “universally accepted corporate values” in one of the previous comments. I guess it's Americans again ignoring the existence of other places on Earth with their cultures and views on things?
I 100% believe that person is practicing a very subtle troll.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#580The change indicated in the title[1] was made on foot of trolling by the user @hmdne It's really a remarkable failure of communication. It doesn't appear anyone read what he was saying carefully. They just looked at the first two lines of his proposal and assumed they understood his intent. And then when encouraged he actually made the change. And they actually merged it. It's amazing that people who are apparently p…
I'm a little embarrassed at how long it took for me to see the joke. The story should be "ruby maintainers accidentally get overeager and merge literal satire into their CoC".
A quote for context:
>A protected class is a group of people that has been historically discriminated or a group of people we (as humanity) want to privilege to offset the years of discrimination - but that's not all. For example the People of Color are a protected class, because of slavery. Members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class because they financially contribute to the cause. The non-heterosexuals are a protected class, because of discrimination. Women are a protected class obviously. I don't know how to better define it. The dictionaries should have a more understandable definition.
It's like the video where you try to count the number of times people pass the ball and you don't notice the gorilla walking through the middle of the room -- you read the first sentence where it starts listing off protected classes, skim over the part where it lists "boards of directors of big corporations" alongside people of color, women, and LGBT folks, and end up thinking that this @hmdne guy is a pretty woke fellow.