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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ineedasername »

ds206 wrote: post #296
Bud wrote: post #266

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Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

"Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic." Yeah, I think it does. Has he been cancelled? Nope. Does he stop making jokes about almost anything? Nope. Do you listen to his podcast? Nope. You know how he became so popular? From talking and being open minded. That's _all_ he does. He ain't doing it to be an…

From talking and being open minded.

If you're listening to a comedian then your mind should not be open to any scientific statements that person makes or medical advice they give.

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Post by kojeovo »

chimen wrote: post #345

He left a void which is now being filled by Lex Friedman and others. Rogan doesn't even bother placing something about the podcast in title - he just names the guest which doesn't say anything to me so I dropped his show long time ago. Even went that far and send him an email regarding how frustrating it is to just listen to show after show until you find a subject that you like. What he lost with YouTube is their al…

There is a few sentence description of each guest. Not in the title but extremely visible for each episode in the app

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Post by dharmab »

dalbasal wrote: post #482
jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

Another free medium is email newsletters, which are seeing a resurgence. Yes, you need to manage CAN-SPAM compliance and the actual protocols are a mess, but you can cobble something together with on-prem campaign software and AWS SNS for not too much money.

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Post by fridif »

blueprint wrote: post #475
chucksta wrote: post #148

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They think he cares more about his reach then is dollars

who does?

The people in this thread that think Joe cares about what the viewers think. He publicly said he doesn't care about deleted episodes and censorship, just there to collect Spotify money. Good for him, he has a goal and he is executing it.

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Post by fridif »

Alupis wrote: post #235
chucksta wrote: post #148

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They think he cares more about his reach then is dollars

In the podcasting world, reach == dollars. With a declining audience, his show will generate declining revenue for Spotify, and eventually he will receive less money because of it. Keep in mind, Rogan said multiple times on his show he would never sell out because he wanted to do whatever he wanted to do... then he sold out to a platform that immediately cut off a large portion of his viewership.

No, not in Joe Rogan's case. The code is more something like:

if (iLetSpotifyGiveMeMoney) {gain50millionDollars()}

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Post by [deleted] »

mavhc wrote: post #460
0xy wrote: post #412

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CDC knowingly lied about masks, though. They knew internally they should be used to mitigate spread, but publicly discouraged their use. There was no new information. There were only lies.

That's because they were dealing with idiots, if you don't want to be treated like idiots, don't be idiots.

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Post by ubermonkey »

I mean, Rogan is a tool and we're better off without him having an outsized voice, but "podcasts" to me mean "platform independent." I listen to very few (no commute), but none of the ones I do listen to or seek out for long drives are confined to a single service. That seems goofy and weird, and the very act of going that route would put me off.

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Post by BEEdwards »

Same thing happened to Howard Stern when he moved to XM (or Sirrus, which ever one won that war I have no idea what's going on in the satellite radio space), moving from an open broadcast to a pay to listen will always cut you off from all but your most devoted fans and prevent a lot of organic discovery.

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Post by nemothekid »

danenania wrote: post #568
nemothekid wrote: post #539

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His views are only all over the place if you try to bucket him in the American "Democrat/Republican" binary bucket. If you listen to him for a long time he is surprisingly consistent a number of issues. For example, Joe is a huge supporter of public welfare. He grew up, temporarily, on food stamps and has always pushed back when even the most right of guests would call people on welfare lazy. Likewise I feel he has a…

I don't see how any of that would make him dogmatic. Dogma implies a shared set of principles that are followed without question. His beliefs seem to be an idiosyncratic patchwork stitched together from personal experience and a diverse set of influences. And while he is attached to certain beliefs, as you say, he'll also change his mind easily in other areas. Whether or not you agree or disagree with his specific op…

>Dogma implies a shared set of principles that are followed without question.

FWIW, Merriam Webster defines dogma as a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds. That's the definition I was using, that I thought was more colloquial. Simply holding a strongly help opinion on shaky grounds is dogmatic. I don't believe that definition is at odds with what I'm describing.

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