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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by 123jay7 »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #256
bluGill wrote: post #18

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I'm expecting most fortune 500 companies will now mandate all employees be vaccinated, along with most colleges.

I am curious to see how this goes, because it will also be a clear indicator where our society and civilization is heading if there is no legal recourse against illegitimate authoritarian dictates that simply alter established practices to follow form over function. There is of course also the issue that mandates come with legal liability for consequences that manufacturers are seemingly not liable for. However, when…

How come people write like this about one particular vaccine but not the dozens of other mandated jabs that have saved peoples lives.

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Post by shadowgovt »

tracyshaun wrote: post #551
jpollock wrote: post #502

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Once you have evidence the treatment works, it becomes unethical to not offer it to the control group. This happens in a lot of medical trials. In this specific situation, they would have been condemning through a choice to not treat, a fraction of the control group to die.

But a good chunk of them would survive... and it would be really valuable to know why they survived without a vaccine.

But that's the crux of medical ethics of human trials. You can't treat people like mice, no matter how valuable the data gained would have been.

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Post by nitrogen »

albatross13 wrote: post #479
ruffrey wrote: post #459

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Is $19 per dose expensive? Not knowing anything about pharma costs, it seems about what it'd expect. Especially compared to the economic savings.

I think it is, when you read Pfizer's contract and fact0r in things like "Governments have to pay, regardless of whether or not the shipment arrives: on time, damaged, or at all". I suggest you browse their leaked contract: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20616251-albanian-pf... Pfizer has also been strong arming small, Latin American countries, to the tune of trying to get military assets as "collateral" ( h…

regardless of whether or not the shipment arrives: on time, damaged, or at all

Weren't extremely generous provisions like that offered by the US government last year in order to jumpstart vaccine development and production ASAP?

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Post by notheretoo »

pgalvin wrote: post #558
jboggan wrote: post #526

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"It has been clear for a while now that the Pfizer vaccine works and is safe." Yes, except there is an established process for quantifying "clear for a while now" and it involves sufficient time and control groups. That process isn't being followed and it is concerning for a number of reasons, including the effect of political pressure on expedited drug approvals in the future now that this precedent is being set. Th…

This really, really is not true. Many drug and vaccine approvals in the past have been done before the trial has run its full course. Many drug and vaccine trials have given the placebo group the real drug once safety and efficacy is clear - before the end of the trial. This is not new, and frankly I’m a little surprised to see such conspiracy theories on HN.

Can you prove your statement by providing an example please?

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Post by spiderice »

andrew_ wrote: post #511
albatross13 wrote: post #430

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I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear: - Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 ) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: ( https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... ) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, cre…

Having to preface a comment with vaccination status is truly unfortunate.

Agreed. It's some variation of an "appeal to authority" logical fallacy (there may be a different logical fallacy that fits better), where the truthfulness of what you say is somehow thought to be influenced by whether or not you've had the vaccine. Even though those 2 things are completely unrelated.

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Post by collias »

DangerousPie wrote: post #485
albatross13 wrote: post #430

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I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear: - Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 ) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: ( https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... ) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, cre…

The only reason there is fear is because people keep posting stories like these without putting them into context. It has been clear for a while now that the Pfizer vaccine works and is safe. Just because Pfizer has chosen to keep collecting data doesn't make that there is any doubt about that. This is also why control groups have been given the option to get vaccinated too. It would be highly questionable to prevent…

It definitely hasn’t been clear “for a while now” that the vaccine is safe. They do seem to be effective, though.

It really depends on what your definition of “safe” is. The vaccines have stated side effects, some of which can severe. The side effects are relatively rare, but non-zero.

The other component is time. We’ve proven that the vaccine is mostly safe…for at least a year out. After that, we have no data.

You don’t have to look that far back to find things that were deemed safe at one time have disastrous consequences years down the line. Cigarettes, asbestos, etc.

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Post by 123jay7 »

thesis wrote: post #333
acdha wrote: post #196

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The problem is that it’s not that simple because your choices significantly impact other people: I can’t choose whether or not to receive the viruses you spread, so I have an interest in you spreading far fewer of them. My 4 year old child can’t be vaccinated so he, along with many immune-compromised people or those with certain medical conditions, is dependent on other people getting vaccinated to sharply reduce spr…

Should the flu be mandatory as well? Flu & Covid have similar risks in children: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of...

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by kristjansson »

pokstad wrote: post #446
0xB31B1B wrote: post #306

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we don't require anyone to take the vaccine, and we will never require anyone to take the vaccine. What we should and will do is restrict what someone who is not vaccinated can do to limit the harm they will cause to others. No one is going to bang down your door and force a vaccine into your arm, but if you do not want to get vaccinated you will need to change your life because you will be restricted from participat…

Power to tax is the power to destroy. The power to exclude is the power to coerce. Society is coercing people into taking the vaccine by requiring it for any activities outside the home. Want to go to the grocery store? Get a vaccine or wear a mask. Want to go to Disneyland? Get a vaccine or wear a mask. Want to attend a conference? Get a vaccine or take a test and wear a mask. The mask and testing mandates are an ef…

Masks, tests, etc. are foremost ways to mitigate potential harm, not to 'wear down' people.

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Post by tacobelllover99 »

acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I'm wondering how many people will continue to judge others for their personal health choices??

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Post by random314 »

neither_color wrote: post #570
albatross13 wrote: post #430

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I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear: - Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 ) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: ( https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... ) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, cre…

>I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), May I ask why? I've had two shots without much hesitation but this whole booster thing came out of nowhere and gives me "fool me twice" vibes. I understand getting a flu shot every year to target new strains but this would be the exact same shot as 8 months ago.

The research is out there. CDC does not arrive at policy based on whims or fancies. Trust the process rather than your "vibe".
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