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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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It is sadly part of a dark pattern called "stickiness". You can dress it up as functionally useful or even important but ultimately it is about companies wanting to create enough of a dependency that you have to continue using them, which is anti-competitive. Gone are the days where you bought something from a shop with no stickiness other than good service brought you back. Now there are far too many Marketing Manag…

First company I quit in my professional engineering career was over this. Not precisely this, but same concept. My constructive cynical take is this: If a company is spending money on this kind of stickiness, they aren't spending it on features users want and need. Which opens the doors for competitors to do just that. Their artificial moat will provide them some protection, but against a long term onslaught of "lock in" vs "features people want", the latter will eventually win. That company I quit has taken a long time to die, but its demise is of no surprise, because they lost focus on the thing that made them successful to begin with.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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>fit the developers needs, not the user needs. This is why I qualified open source with "community maintained." When there's a strong partition between the community and the developers then FOSS looks a lot like closed software.

> This is why I qualified open source with "community maintained." When there's a strong partition between the community and the developers then FOSS looks a lot like closed software. I'm just going to come out and say that I think Gnome and Firefox are two of the worst offenders of this.

Not really, you just happened to pick two projects that are particularly large and particularly old. Drive-by commits are a lot less valuable in those type of projects, unfortunately, but you can still find places to contribute if you spend the time to look.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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> By purchasing a burner phone, I am definitely traceable by law enforcement Well, it really depends on how you buy it and where you use it. Yes, they can locate your phone based on triangulation. However, you can buy a prepaid burner phone outside of your area and then use it to create a Google account and then make sure you are using a VPN when connecting from a residential location. However, I don't really see the…

Then you're not one of those people I would recommend it to. You seem to have missed the biggest part of why I recommend this to some people - never, ever put a SIM in the burner phone. It's just for that burner gmail address you use to get into the Google Walled Garden.

You don't need a separate Android device for that though. That was the point. You can do that with third-party extensions, websites, etc. Last but not least, in order to create a Google burner account you likely need a real phone number. Whenever you sign up for a Google account it asks you to verify a phone number.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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> This is why I qualified open source with "community maintained." When there's a strong partition between the community and the developers then FOSS looks a lot like closed software. I'm just going to come out and say that I think Gnome and Firefox are two of the worst offenders of this.

Right. At least with Gnome even distro maintainers struggle to keep up with the churn and build it, users have little hope of success there. The result is a partition between the community and the developers who spend a lot of time in the code. Firefox has a similar situation although I would argue it isn't quite as bad.

If you have suggestions on how to fix that I think a lot of people would love to hear it, but for now, sadly the task of building a fully complete desktop and application platform means that there is a lot of code and a lot of churn. This is true of every single major platform.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Would you mind sharing few of them? I use fingerprint reader on my phone and laptop, is there a reason I shouldn't? Face recognition is something I have a problem with. I don't like cameras, especially those you cannot unplug.

Not OP, but... Fingerprints, as far as most readers are concerned, aren't too difficult to duplicate sufficiently. You can obtain someone's fingerprints from photos, as the German defence minister found out years ago[1]. Also you leave them everywhere and your laptop is likely covered in them. You can't effectively change or revoke them. You can reproduce them with varying levels of success with photoshop, a laser pr…

> And unlike passwords, there's no 5th amendment right covering them for Yanks.

Good point, thank you.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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The 'desktop' is an outmoded concept anyhow. More is being done on Mobile to the exclusion of the desktop. Who needs a big machine with a monitor when you can do just about everything on a Chromebook or iPad? As far as Linux on ________, Let's look at where we're at now. Supercomputer. Linux runs the entire Top 500. https://itsfoss.com/linux-runs-top-supercomputers/ Severs/Websites. 75% are Linux or variants. https:/…

Screen space and input matters especially with complex tasks. Due to heat and therefore power constraints an ipad shaped device will remain sub par compared to a PC shaped device.

External monitors.

Also, laptops.

People have been able to do without full-fledged desktops quite well for a while now.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Microsoft has been using this dark pattern for a while now. Around 1-2 years ago, I upgraded MS Office on my Windows laptop. It asked me for my username/password-- which I didnt think strange, as I assumed it needed it to upgrade. And thats when I got a message "Good news! Your Windows machine now uses your Microsoft to login." W.T.F. I was never asked, never warned, just tricked into replacing my local login with an…

Do you really need Windows? Our family laptop runs Linux, it does Teams for school, MineCraft, Netflix. You could do Office365 from a browser, although I admit, it is less than ideal. But it seems like you are almost at the emotional state make the jump... what's holding you back? I bought a Dell Latitude E5450 for 350 eur about 2 years back. It was used but looked new. It came with Win 10 Pro, which sits on my NAS a…

Windows just works. I can't remember the last time I had a driver issue with wifi or had an issue with new hardware working. Every game targets Windows first, so they all work without any extra work. My computer is a tool, and I don't want to spend any of my free time configuring things, like I have when running Linux in the past. I spent enough of my time at work doing that!

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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> bought something from a shop with no stickiness If you want this you can still have it, you just need to follow a simple rule: Absolutely no non-free non community maintained software ever period.

Free, community maintained software have all sorts of problems too. Essentially, the problem is that the software is made to fit the developers needs, not the user needs. If they both have the same needs, that's great, if they don't most people are better off with a commercial solution. Also keep in mind that in most major free software, the "community" is mostly for-profit companies that want the software to fit the…

> Essentially, the problem is that the software is made to fit the developers needs, not the user needs. If they both have the same needs, that's great, if they don't most people are better off with a commercial solution.

The first part may be true, but the second doesn't follow. In the case of software like Windows, etc, can you say it actually fits the user's needs? I mean sure, if Windows does what you expect and Linux / macOS don't, sure, it's great. But what if it doesn't?

I really hate non-resizable control windows, what can I do about it? I also hate the pure white interface that burns my eyes. How should I go about tweaking it? The list of ways Windows annoys me is extremely long, and I don't feel like I have any say in them. The same goes for macOS, though to a lesser degree.

This software seems to be made to benefit the "developers" (MS). People have been complaining about telemetry in Win10 and MS just ignores it.

You could argue that since I'm still using my 2013 MBP and basically only use Windows when I have no choice (gaming), I'm not really a client any more of either MS or Apple.

I guess in the case of bespoke software, or even in a case where each client is big enough for a company to listen to them, then they may steer the software's direction.

But for a random consumer OS? I really don't think so. My client is a fairly big European company, and they use Windows on their employees' desktops. There are ways in which Windows annoys them, but they have exactly 0 ways of changing this (other than dropping Windows).

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Microsoft has been using this dark pattern for a while now. Around 1-2 years ago, I upgraded MS Office on my Windows laptop. It asked me for my username/password-- which I didnt think strange, as I assumed it needed it to upgrade. And thats when I got a message "Good news! Your Windows machine now uses your Microsoft to login." W.T.F. I was never asked, never warned, just tricked into replacing my local login with an…

Do you really need Windows? Our family laptop runs Linux, it does Teams for school, MineCraft, Netflix. You could do Office365 from a browser, although I admit, it is less than ideal. But it seems like you are almost at the emotional state make the jump... what's holding you back? I bought a Dell Latitude E5450 for 350 eur about 2 years back. It was used but looked new. It came with Win 10 Pro, which sits on my NAS a…

Still haven't found a way to digitally sign a pdf with a smart card on Linux, unfortunately. If anyone knows how, I'd love a tip. Last thing I absolutely can't do except on Windows, and it is required by a lot of DoD processes I have to follow.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Indeed funny! What happened after you installed the .exe Ubuntu? You clicked the icon and then ..? I'm just past the 'stage' you're in now, I recently deleted my partition running Windows (kept it for GTA5). Only Ubuntu now.

Are you able to play GTAV on linux? Or just given up on the ability to play it? That and a few racing sims are the only things keeping me on windows these days.

Apparently GTAV runs quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_69huFZSLA

You may also want to check out PlayOnLinux which eases the creation of sandboxed installations for different Windows software (not just games), in which each one could use its own Wine version, libraries, modules etc.

https://www.playonlinux.com/en/

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