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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by thu2111 »

_dark_matter_ wrote: post #247
goldemerald wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While randomized trials are certainly the gold-standard for determining if you should give a new drug to treat an arbitrary disease, that process is far too conservative during a pandemic where a huge majority of the world cannot access proper medical care. Ivermectin is already massively produced, used throughout the world, and cheap to manufacture (compared to new anti-Covid drugs). Even months ago before the benef…

I had the same opinion until my friend convinced me otherwise. The scientific community is taking a long-term approach here. If they were to recommend a drug based without a scientific trial, they risk losing the trust of the world (either from people who want them to only follow the science, and the risk that it is incorrect). The anti-science block is growing, and they are loud. If they continue to grow it could be…

If they were to recommend a drug based without a scientific trial, they risk losing the trust of the world

But that's already happened with vaccines. A bit late to worry about that now.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by kcplate »

giarc wrote: post #401
99_00 wrote: post #4

Talking about this study on Youtube is forbidden according to their TOS. "Don’t post content on YouTube if it includes any of the following: Treatment misinformation: Content that recommends use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 Claims that Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine are effective treatments for COVID-19" https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9891785?hl=en

It's likely a CYA situation. There were people that took aquarium chloroquine after Trump promoted hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID.

There were two people, a husband and wife. It was also reported after that police were investigating her for homicide because she was actually very much anti-Trump and had a history of brutalizing her husband publicly. Appears that she gave him a large dose that killed him and took a tiny one herself likely to create some sort of weird alibi.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by seasily »

If we all used generics to treat disease, how would pharma companies make tens of billions on vaccines and boosters and re-boosters, market less-effective drugs with five-figure price tags, and who would repay YouTube and Twitter for the fortune they make on pharma advertising?

Pharma profits, big tech profits, and nurse tik-toks must take priority over disease prevention.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by spacial »

argvargc wrote: post #416
spacial wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in Brazil, the president (Borsalino) is promoting ivermectin as covid treatment. I can tell you is not working at all. I doesn't help at all. I have a coworker who as using ivermectin as prophylactic and went to ICU (he is recovering now).

That a widely-disputed "leader" is "promoting" a treatment in a country as diverse and with as many systemic issues as Brazil, has no necessary bearing nor indication of that treatments actual use or resultant efficacy. That you have a friend that took it and went to the ICU is similarly meaningless. What dosage did he take? What other predispositions did he have? How badly was he exposed? What other treatments were…

shut the f** up.

The president and all his ball suckers are promoting misinformation since the beginning. people are eating ivermectin and HCQ as candies, and you keep saying should be that ivermectin is saving people?

I lost another friend yesterday and we got 500k deaths.

IF THERE WAS ANY GOOD USE OF any of these "miracles" drugs I'd be happy. People are dying because of these misinformation. Show me any good article (not a pre-print) you fool.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by spacial »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #567
spacial wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in Brazil, the president (Borsalino) is promoting ivermectin as covid treatment. I can tell you is not working at all. I doesn't help at all. I have a coworker who as using ivermectin as prophylactic and went to ICU (he is recovering now).

> I doesn't help at all. I have a coworker who as using ivermectin as prophylactic and went to ICU (he is recovering now). This is an anecdote, and it is dangerous to generalize from it. I have several family members who seemed to respond well to Ivermectin, and recovered better than their initial condition would have indicated.

ok, show me good science. I drank beer all this time, didn't got any covid yet.

MAYBE BEER IS THE MEDICIN. BIG PHARMA IS HIDING FROM US.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by argvargc »

spacial wrote: post #574
argvargc wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That a widely-disputed "leader" is "promoting" a treatment in a country as diverse and with as many systemic issues as Brazil, has no necessary bearing nor indication of that treatments actual use or resultant efficacy. That you have a friend that took it and went to the ICU is similarly meaningless. What dosage did he take? What other predispositions did he have? How badly was he exposed? What other treatments were…

shut the f** up. The president and all his ball suckers are promoting misinformation since the beginning. people are eating ivermectin and HCQ as candies, and you keep saying should be that ivermectin is saving people? I lost another friend yesterday and we got 500k deaths. IF THERE WAS ANY GOOD USE OF any of these "miracles" drugs I'd be happy. People are dying because of these misinformation. Show me any good artic…

59 peer-reviewed studies listed here, of 97 total:

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Eg, one of the most recent peer-reviewed meta-studies, whose authors include advisors to the WHO, just published in the Journal of American Therapeutics:

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/...

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by acituan »

unparagoned wrote: post #539
acituan wrote: post #490

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> He was also pointing out "risks" with the vaccine. Whoa whoa whoa. 1 year old mRNA vaccine's risks don't come with scare quotes. He often talks about the lack of long term data. mRNA covid vaccines might have been exceptionally safe so far, yet intellectual honesty demands we admit that indeed we don't have the long term data yet. Implying there would absolutely be no such risk is a fundamentalistic position itself…

There is a "risk" that bill Gates is actually an alien and has been putting microchips into the vaccine. Pretty much all risks are identified within a short period, it's very rare for there to be long term risks.So yes there may be some theoretical long term risk, but it's soo small that it is misleading to talk about it as a serious risk. Expecially compared to the real and known dangers of Ivermectin and covid.

> There is a "risk" that bill Gates is actually an alien and has been putting microchips into the vaccine.

Do those risks look proportional to you?

> Pretty much all risks are identified within a short period, it's very rare for there to be long term risks

I am not aware of any first principles in immunology that evidence this view. Maybe you do?

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by kcplate »

jiofih wrote: post #549
effie wrote: post #486

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We are talking about scientists presenting important evidence about existing and useful treatments, and about the public discussing it, and about large companies censoring that debate. That is not anywhere near "selling miracle cures". Discussing good news, even if they may be incomplete or inaccurate is beneficial to many people.

Most of these videos are not “evidence” being presented, but merely opinions or advocacy. The general public has no need to “discuss” unproven treatments. Evidence is presented through studies and medical journals.

Thank you for determining what I should or should not discuss.

The church has a similar perspective about “off limit” topics too.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by dang »

stewbrew wrote: post #524
goldemerald wrote: post #7

I heard about Ivermectin for the first time this week and was shocked how much it seemed that I had stepped into conspiracy theory land. There seemed to be an overwhelming amount of evidence over the last year that this repurposed drug is effective at treating Covid during a variety of stages (preventative, first positive test, ICU admittance, and even long haul). But since there hadn't been a randomized trial the dr…

You're commenting on a metaanalysis that summarizes 15 published trials, aren't you? Maybe you should spend less time on YouTube inspired guessing. Social media isn't relevant here. YouTube is not the center of the Galaxy. Medical doctors don't make their decisions based on YouTube videos -- at least I hope so. Edit: sorry for the wrong position in the thread. Should have gone to the parent post.

I've moved your comment to the parent post now.

Re: Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of Covid-19 Infection

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Post by dang »

spadez wrote: post #537
guscost wrote: post #485

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On the other hand, many of my hot takes over the years have been celebrated , but it seems to happen when they are long and dense (and not personal attacks). Perhaps it is because fewer people read/flag them. Perhaps it is because this community values eloquence (or effort) over substance. Add to that the built-in handicap because this community (like every other) values in-group opinions much more than out-group opi…

> The technology is insufficient for the task, and it will never get better. This is very true. But I don't think it is a problem with technology. It is just that you cannot really have a valuable insight by putting a 10000 idiots in a room and have them argue it out. In other words, you cannot replace one intelligent man with a 10000 idiots, hence the failure of HN and similar forums. These things are only good for…

Commenters going on about how other people are idiots is actually a strong marker of mediocre comments. If you guys would please indulge in that kind of thing somewhere else, we'd appreciate it. It's tedious, and it's against the site guidelines. Note this one:

"Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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