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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kingsuper20 »

js2 wrote: post #149
outside1234 wrote: post #43

Wow - so if the grid goes down the Truck will power your house? That is awesome! ref: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/ (see bottom)

I'm not sure it makes sense though. Now you have to choose between transportation and powering your home. As well, the power needs to go out when the truck happens to have a full charge. I think it cost them little to add (because they already have on-board power ports, which does make sense), but from a practical standpoint, I don't know how useful it is.

In the age of purposeful blackouts for fire prevention or due to an undersized grid it makes all the sense in the world.

There's a lot of $10k-$15k natgas whole house generators going in around my neighborhood.

Your view of electricity reliability depends on where you live.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rypskar »

orthecreedence wrote: post #448
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Yeah, I moved out to the country(ish) recently after living in SF and swore off ever getting a truck. Within a year of being out here, finally caved and got one and haven't looked back. I still have the smaller honda for longer trips, but the truck has opened up an entire world (getting plywood sheets/siding/lumber, dump runs, towing, etc). So much of the stuff I used to think "I can't do that myself" now just takes…

Why not use a small trailer instead? I have a small hybrid, have driven 2200km since last time I filled the 40 liter tank, when I want some plywood, lumber or dump run I connect my trailer which I can load 1000 kg on. I do live in a country where petrol isn't almost free so am not only saving the environment but also lots of money from not driving a lorry

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

ggreer wrote: post #471
rootusrootus wrote: post #271

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

What do you do for road trips? The supercharger network is essential for that.

I use DC fast chargers for road trips, yes. I don't have my Tesla anymore, just the wife's Bolt, but conceptually it's the same.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

ben7799 wrote: post #349
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

>> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck.

Maybe better to say, if you live in an apartment complex, it can be difficult to keep a truck.

There are a lot of people in the trades (carpentry, construction, etc.) who can't afford to own a standalone house.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by zzzeek »

zzzeek wrote: post #189
csharptwdec19 wrote: post #128

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Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

this is my biggest concern. my dad has a tesla, and you put your foot on that thing it feels like a jet on the runway. electric motors are allowing everyday, consumer level cars that can do 0-60 faster than a Ferrari, and silently as well. it leads to doing more aggressive turns and stuff like that which you can only pull off with maximum acceleration, which means scenarios like the left turn where you're whipping ou…

to all the idiot downmodders, I am not advocating against electric cars, I am advocating against their software allowing unfettered acceleration as well as the lack of audible cues to pedestrians (some hybrid cars are now adding artifical sounds for this issue).

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Post by beerandt »

jrsj wrote: post #317
pkulak wrote: post #286

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> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan (which is all that is really worth talking about because pretty much no individual owns the type of delivery vehicle you’re talking about, which are meant for transporting packages anyways). People w…

>blame EPA regulations

To elaborate, since I've even had to explain this to some "eco-conscious" engineers:

This is also partially why trucks have gone from steel to aluminum, which is lighter (to gain a marginal increase in mpg), but also requires larger shapes (moment-arms) to achieve the same amount of strength and resilience (crumple zone rigidity & required crumple zone size, etc).

Of course the other side effect is that using aluminum frames/engines won't last as long, since they deform easier, so all that saved energy from increased mpg doesn't make up for the wasted embedded energy from decreased useful lifespan.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cbm-vic-20 »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still.

I agree- this is really going to be a big deal, especially with how large the F-150 EV battery is (150kWh). For comparison, the Chevrolet Bolt hatchback has a 66KWh battery with a similar range as the F-150, which makes sense, because the Bolt is much lighter and aerodynamic.

The vast majority of public charging stations in the US ("Level 2") max out at under 10kW; these are great for smaller cars used for commuting to-and-from the office or local shops or whatever. This isn't so bad for the Bolt, but the F-150 will recharge (from a range perspective) much more slowly.

There are very few Level 3 "fast" chargers around. These typically charge at 50kW until the battery is at 80% capacity, then slow down to 10kW or so. Public chargers often charge per minute ($.30 or so), so you get the best bang for the buck to get off the charger once you hit 80%. So, let's say your F-150 is down to 20% capacity, and you need to charge up to 80%. 60% of that 150kWh is battery is 90kWh- that will take nearly two hours ($36) on that fast charger.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

acomjean wrote: post #304
rootusrootus wrote: post #260

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> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

>You know who buys F150s? everyone except those strange ones that buy Chevy or GMC. Or the real outlier, those with Ram Pickups.... (I didn't realize this was a thing till my civil engineering company last century bought a GMC to replace the fords). To this day I remember a Huge Ram diesel dually with a big dog in the bed towing in a single roll of landfill liner (23 ft long and About 2000 lbs of plastic) and thinkin…

> except those strange ones that buy Chevy or GMC.

I mean it philosophically. "Everyone," to a rough approximation, are customers interested in a pickup. Whether Ford, Chevy, Ram, Toyota, etc.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Someone1234 »

JeremyNT wrote: post #565
Someone1234 wrote: post #307

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I could legitimately see every job site having at least one as a rolling power station. That could be a very useful and popular niche, construction sites without power at early phases of construction aren't rare and power tool batteries are expensive.

I think it could be quite useful in construction, food trucks, events - any situation you normally see generators. However, even better for that kind of stuff would be a hybrid with a smaller battery, but a generator in the frunk (sort of like the Volt).

I agree that would be even better.

Unfortunately I don't think such a vehicle exists yet, while hybrids and even plug-in hybrids are common, they aren't designed to be used as power stations/offer multiple 110v outlets.

This new F-150 is rare in that the manufacturer actually supports its usage like this. If you use a Tesla as a glorified battery they will actually void your warranty.

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