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Post by randylahey »

runeks wrote: post #548
mosselman wrote: post #380

The tone of Aditya Pakki's message makes me think they would be very well served by reading 'How to Win Friends & Influence People' by Dale Carnegie. This is obviously the complete opposite of how you should be communicating with someone in most situations let alone when you want something from them. I have sure been there though so if anything, take this as a book recommendation for 'How to Win Friends & Influence P…

I’ve seen this book mentioned a couple of times on HN now. I’m curious: did you learn about this book from the fourth season of the Fargo? This is where I encountered it first.

Not the person you're asking, but the book is over 80 years old and one of the best selling books of all time. Not exactly the same, but it's like asking where they heard about the Bible. It's everywhere.

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motohagiography wrote: post #381
arkh wrote: post #342

> I will not be sending any more patches due to the attitude that is not only unwelcome but also intimidating to newbies and non experts. Maybe not being nice is part of the immune system of open source.

On the other thread, I suggested this was an attack on critical infrastructure using a university as cover and that this was a criminal/counter-intellgence matter, and then asked whether any of these bug submitters also suggested the project culture was too aggressive and created an unsafe environment, to reduce scrutiny on their backdoors. Talk about predictive power in a hypothesis.

"I suggested this was an attack on critical infrastructure using a university as cover and that this was a criminal/counter-intellgence matter"

There is absolutely zero evidence of this. None. In my opinion it's baseless speculation.

It's far more likely that they are upset over being called out, and are out of touch with regards as to what is ethical testing.

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jallen_dot_dev wrote: post #475
arkh wrote: post #342

> I will not be sending any more patches due to the attitude that is not only unwelcome but also intimidating to newbies and non experts. Maybe not being nice is part of the immune system of open source.

"We're banning you for deliberately submitting buggy patches as an experiment." "Well if you're gonna be a jerk about it, I won't be sending any more patches."

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Post by mirchibajji »

mccr8 wrote: post #473
arkh wrote: post #342

> I will not be sending any more patches due to the attitude that is not only unwelcome but also intimidating to newbies and non experts. Maybe not being nice is part of the immune system of open source.

Being rude isn't going to discourage malicious actors, who are motivated by fame or wealth. If you ran a bank and had a bunch of rude bank tellers, you are only going to dissuade customers, not bank robbers.

A better analogy: Attempting to pee in the community pool to research if the maintainers are doing a good job of managing the hygiene standards.

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Post by jacobsenscott »

runeks wrote: post #548
mosselman wrote: post #380

The tone of Aditya Pakki's message makes me think they would be very well served by reading 'How to Win Friends & Influence People' by Dale Carnegie. This is obviously the complete opposite of how you should be communicating with someone in most situations let alone when you want something from them. I have sure been there though so if anything, take this as a book recommendation for 'How to Win Friends & Influence P…

I’ve seen this book mentioned a couple of times on HN now. I’m curious: did you learn about this book from the fourth season of the Fargo? This is where I encountered it first.

The book is very famous - it launched the "self help" genra. I've never read it, but I've heard it is fairly shallow guide on manipulating people to get what you want out of them.

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Post by not2b »

Sanzig wrote: post #552
endisneigh wrote: post #478

Though I disagree with the research in general, if you did want to research "hypocrite commits" in an actual OSS setting, there isn't really any other way to do it other than actually introducing bugs per their proposal. That being said, I think it would've made more sense for them to have created some dummy complex project for a class and have say 80% of the class introduce "good code", 10% of the class review all c…

They could have contacted a core maintainer and explained to them what they planned to do. That core maintainer could have then spoken to other senior core maintainers in confidence (including Greg and Linus) to decide if this type of pentest was in the best interest of Linux and the OSS community at large. That decision would need to weigh the possibility of testing and hardening Linux's security review process agai…

Exactly. A test could have been conducted the knowledge of Linus and Greg K-H, but not of the other maintainers. If the proposed patch made it all the way through, it could be blocked at the last stage from making it into an actual release or release candidate. But it should be up to the people in charge of the project whether they want to be experimented on.
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