Voltswagen of America

Post by hellbannedguy » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 11:06 PM UTC

greeneggs wrote: post #250

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My dad used to joke that if you wanted sneakers that were not made by child labor, your best bet was whichever manufacturer last got into trouble for it because of all the extra scrutiny. That this level of fatalism about immoral acts exists is a failure of society as a whole. I suspect that all of those who got rich either knowingly or being willfully ignorant about emissions cheating walked away completely unpunish…

Instead of posting uninformed speculation, you can just Google it… > In 2017, the U.S.-based VW executive Oliver Schmidt, who oversaw emissions issues, was sentenced to seven years in prison and fined $400,000, the maximum possible under a plea deal the German national made with prosecutors after admitting to charges of conspiring to mislead U.S regulators and violate clean-air laws. The US has charged nine people, a…

Post by 310260 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 11:09 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #427

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My dad used to joke that if you wanted sneakers that were not made by child labor, your best bet was whichever manufacturer last got into trouble for it because of all the extra scrutiny. That this level of fatalism about immoral acts exists is a failure of society as a whole. I suspect that all of those who got rich either knowingly or being willfully ignorant about emissions cheating walked away completely unpunish…

we decouple too much, every company is trying to survive the market and will always cut corners even though in the end no one ever asked for children to make shoes.. it was just global fear, frustration and risk that made everybody put pressure in the wrong direction.

Post by pvorb » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC

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He was in "Offener Vollzug" (~open prison). That means he sleeps in a normal prison cell (that usually looks like [1], so not all that bad) in a regular prison, gets breakfeast, leaves prison to go to work, then goes straight back to prison to participate in the prison's evening activities (sport, recreational, educational, etc). He might get vacation (from staying in prison), and can visit his family on weekends. It…

What are the 84% that aren't in open prison? Poor people who don't have a corporate apparatus to hide their crimes behind? Volkswagen emissions killed people with smog. VW are homicidal.

Post by scythe » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 11:31 PM UTC

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A close associate is an engine designer at a VW group company. VW is not some bottoms up startup. It has a clear micromanaged road map for virtually everything. Data is gathered, sheds are biked ad nausuem. this person was jailed because they were the last one holding the hot potatoe. There is no way (according to said associate) that upper management were not aware of what was going on. as any decision like that has…

> sheds are biked ad nausuem What does this mean?

Post by carabiner » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

scythe wrote: post #577

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> sheds are biked ad nausuem What does this mean?

It's from an old parable, also called Parkinson's Law of Triviality . Basically, simple things get discussed more because everyone can understand them. It goes something like this: "If a committee designs a bikeshed, they will spend five minutes discussing the structural requirements, half an hour on the size, and the rest of the available time arguing about what color to paint the shed."