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Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by jariel »

jfengel wrote: post #545
jariel wrote: post #541

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Those are good points. I think however, cancel culture in particular, is a phenom of the Left right now. Weaponizing conspiracy (QAnon, Elections, COVID) is a culture of the Right, no doubt. Both sides are fully aware of what they are doing and leveraging it on purpose (not all, but many). The thing is - if we have good institutions then we can hold out against QAnon. But cancel culture I think is actually a corrosio…

Cancel Culture is all over the right. They just don't call it that. Mention the name AOC favorably, and you will be shut down. Parler censored people for supporting BLM. Many took pride in tanking Captain Marvel because of its lead's support for feminist causes. Any progressive action you take will cause you to be dubbed "virtue signalling". It's all just cancel culture. They simply won't call it that. There's a sayi…

"Mention the name AOC favorably, and you will be shut down."

No, this is not remotely true. They'll downvote you into obvlivion on 'Fox News' comments - but this is not cancel culture.

Nobody is 'losing their job' and being 'publicly shamed' because they said the 'like AOC'.

Sure - you might get a few Trumpers in your face for supporting one of the more perceptibly radical faces of the Demcorcatic party - but that's just 'angry culture' - not cancel culture.

" Parler censored people for supporting BLM."

I strongly doubt this is true - even if it is - again, this is not 'cancel culture' - this is just bad groupthink on a site.

If executives and staff were being fired and losing their jobs for showing up at a BLM rally, or donating money to BLM - that would be 'cancel culture' - but I don't believe that is happening.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by jariel »

deanCommie wrote: post #549
jariel wrote: post #538

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Ok, yes - except that with Rowling it's 100% cancel culture - and it has to stop, now. Rowling's views are not 'dated' (that's your opinion) - they are thought out, and reasonable. They are controversial, possibly. Of course, nobody has to buy her books. It's a little infantile, but it's fine. I don't. The issue is not 'people not buying her books' - the issue is that people are trying to suppress and silence her, an…

> Rowling's views are not 'dated' (that's your opinion) They are. Bigotry is not static. It's a dynamic reaction to progress being made in the rest of society. Her views are not a reaction to fringe whackjobs on twitter screaming for some rights that the rest of society is not willing to give them. Her views are a reaction to changes in government policy that do not happen overnight, are themselves a result of decade…

So this is the root of cancel culture, right here.

Those that disagree with you are 'uninformed stupid bigots and must be suppressed'.

Take a moment consider why a very progressive person, of enormous goodwill and who's done so much charity work, and is obviously very intelligent would act on bad faith?

So maybe she just sees the world differently as is entitled to her opinion.

These initiatives are as bad as a President usurping the legitimacy of his office to lie about elections.

Stop the radical authoritarianism now.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by Izkata »

mellosouls wrote: post #488
cozuya wrote: post #431

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What's the Occam's Razor of "everyone smart enough to be in advanced learning seems to have the same political bias", do you think?

Anecdotal, but many of the stupidest, most blinkered people I've ever met are those with "advanced learning".

There was an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that addressed this something along the lines of, "the smarter you are, the easier it is to talk yourself into doublethink".

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by shawndrost »

rayiner wrote: post #537
rbanffy wrote: post #527

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I can describe it. I'm Brazilian, very white, green eyes, brown hair that was lighter when I was younger. About 30 years ago (wow!), in my late teens I organized a party on a house my aunt recently bought to become her medical practice. We had lots of drinks, some drugs, a DJ, live music and some guests walking over the roof of neighboring houses. Police got called. When they saw me, young and privileged, they wanted…

Is that "white privilege?" From personal experience, I don't think police treat upper middle class asian kids any differently than that. (But I bet it would be different for upper middle class Black people.) Statistically, and adjusted for age (which is really important because there is quite a big difference in median age between racial groups in the U.S.) asians are actually less likely to get shot by the police th…

I think "racial privilege" and/or "class privilege" are the general terms that have more straightforward meanings, and "white privilege" is both a) a special case of race/class privilege, and b) sometimes used as a poor synonym for race/class privilege.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by cmorgan31 »

smaryjerry wrote: post #569
cmorgan31 wrote: post #567

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You've lumped about 3 months worth of time into a single response as some kind of single metaphor to a single incident incited by a rally held by several political figures. You want to sit with Fascists and that's okay with me but don't tell me you don't stink mate. Every single person who went to that shit show knew what it was going to be about and anyone so blinded to not see it devolving into violence falls into…

Sure that was 3 months of very similar riots. Take any single one of them and it was as violent as the capitol protest. I guess you know exactly what everyone was thinking that went there? Even though the “leader” of the whole thing, Trump, said “be peaceful, don’t give them what they want, be peaceful.” Please tell me how fascism even relates to this conversation? Isn’t asking for election integrity the exact opposi…

We're not even existing in the same general reality of truth at this point so it doesn't make sense to continue talking past each other. Have a good evening and maybe buy some GME stock.

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Post by dguaraglia »

jariel wrote: post #180
dguaraglia wrote: post #144

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I fail to see how the author's plight at the hands of the internet mob makes the situation less nuanced. Flippant dismissal of facts isn't going to help things get better either.

No, this is upside down. The entire point of the situation is that the nuances are not hugely relevant in the big picture. Moreover, the nuances are never catered to in cancel culture anyhow. Nothing remotely significant happened in this situation that should have involved anything other than maybe some stern retorts on the medium she started on i.e. Twitter. The commenter thinking that 'this was a good outcome' give…

> Nothing remotely significant happened in this situation that should have involved anything other than maybe some stern retorts on the medium she started on i.e. Twitter.

Somehow you miss the other side of this: her interaction on her train ride didn't deserve to be more significant than the average unpleasant experienced 10 times a week by anyone living in a city. She actively tried to make it bigger, then it got blown out of proportion by people like her, who blow shit out of proportion.

Maybe we should all start taking responsibility for our actions, instead of screaming 'cancel culture' whenever they catch up to us.

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Post by _o0rc »

DenisM wrote: post #557
_o0rc wrote: post #470

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Ha, yes, the intent is that it would be an open and stated part of the hiring process. There's no reason to surprise people with the question. I'd rather let candidates self-select them out, as much for this question as for any other mis-alignments. I did a poor job in my first comment of explaining my role relative to hiring. I'm speaking from a position of having been a founder and CEO, and likely being one again.…

Would you consider listing this preference on your linked-in profile then? It's the same deal as a job ad.

If I were looking for work, I would consider it.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by deanCommie »

jariel wrote: post #572
deanCommie wrote: post #549

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> Rowling's views are not 'dated' (that's your opinion) They are. Bigotry is not static. It's a dynamic reaction to progress being made in the rest of society. Her views are not a reaction to fringe whackjobs on twitter screaming for some rights that the rest of society is not willing to give them. Her views are a reaction to changes in government policy that do not happen overnight, are themselves a result of decade…

So this is the root of cancel culture, right here. Those that disagree with you are 'uninformed stupid bigots and must be suppressed'. Take a moment consider why a very progressive person, of enormous goodwill and who's done so much charity work, and is obviously very intelligent would act on bad faith? So maybe she just sees the world differently as is entitled to her opinion. These initiatives are as bad as a Presi…

"Progressive" isn't a bucket that you are either in or out of.

Just as expertise in one field does not guarantee expertise in another (See: Dawkins, Richard; Peterson, Jordan), having progressive views about one subject does not guarantee progressive views about another.

There are many feminists and gay/lesbian folks who are radically Trans-exclusionary. (https://wildwomynworkshop.com/category-product/gender-critic...).

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Post by smaryjerry »

cmorgan31 wrote: post #575
smaryjerry wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure that was 3 months of very similar riots. Take any single one of them and it was as violent as the capitol protest. I guess you know exactly what everyone was thinking that went there? Even though the “leader” of the whole thing, Trump, said “be peaceful, don’t give them what they want, be peaceful.” Please tell me how fascism even relates to this conversation? Isn’t asking for election integrity the exact opposi…

We're not even existing in the same general reality of truth at this point so it doesn't make sense to continue talking past each other. Have a good evening and maybe buy some GME stock.

Really though I see fascism as something people actually fear is coming true. What are people afraid of?

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by user-the-name »

loveistheanswer wrote: post #560
user-the-name wrote: post #529

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You are missing the "and dealt with". It needs to be dealt with. Exposing it does not deal with it. It just gives it more air to spread. You actually need the dealing with part.

>You are missing the "and dealt with". What makes you think that? It's literally in the quote. Covering up hatred is not dealing with it, it's a facile attempt at ignoring it.

Yes, it is in his quote.

It is nowhere to be seen in today's world, though. You're here talking about letting the nazis spread their hatred as much as they want, but I am not seeing you having any plan for how to dealing with them, other than just letting them do whatever they want.

Once you let them out, what are you planning to do to deal with them?

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