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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by kazinator »

qwerty12345678 wrote: post #546
wcunning wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As to (3), Ken and others have also pointed out, Rudy or Sydney Powel being lawyers have a duty to know this sort of thing so there's a chance that they'll be found to have actual malice even without a finding that Rudy was knowingly lying.

Serious Question: Why is everyone assuming they're lying? And why doesn't anyone want to prove Biden won? From my perspective, the accusations he made were completely dodged by Dominion and by Democrats (since their guy was labeled the winner by the media). I'm not aware of any individual claim that was debunked via substantiating evidence. They refused to answer, refused to report it in the media, and ran full speed…

"Biden won" is the obvious outcome of counting the votes in the election, under the assumption that no fraud took place. That's the assertion which requires evidence. "Biden won" is the unrefuted null hypothesis that requires no additional proof, other than the result of conducting the whole electoral procedure.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by oyvey_goyim »

chrisco255 wrote: post #469

I think it's nuts for a modern democracy to allow for anything but open source software being used to count paper ballots with chain-of-custody records, voter ID validation, biometric markings, and redacted ballots being published on the web for all to view and count independently. Software systems can easily be hacked, and it isn't easy to inspect and tell. A vote is a one time, one sided transaction. It's not as ea…

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by enkid »

qwerty12345678 wrote: post #552
tptacek wrote: post #134

Ken White has been talking about the potential for this suit for a couple weeks now. He spends a lot of time talking about what isn't defamation --- people use defamation suits and threats thereof to chill free speech, and he's a 1st Amendment guy --- but the Dominion cases are apparently examples of very serious defamation cases. The core of defamation is (1) a false statement of purported fact that (2) causes damag…

Between server logs disappearing, servers themselves disappearing, USB devices being plugged into voting machines throughout election night, voting machines being connected to the internet, quick destruction of paper ballots, routing of vote data through multiple foreign countries, Dominion refusing to allow inspection of source code, and Dominion apparently being controlled by Chinese companies: Why do you assume he…

Do you have any evidence of any of this? If so, why was this not presented in any of the 60 court cases?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by Fezzik »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #256
LaMarseillaise wrote: post #187

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Unfortunately, I think the numerous tangential and unsubstantiated comments in this very thread suggest that the strategy has been highly successful. While I imagine Dominion could win against Giuliani, he is only one person and this disinformation has been spread through many channels. I expect we will see it again. Edit: grammar.

One of the things that makes this more complex is that we should be skeptical of any person, company or machine that handles election data and has the power to make any significant change to that data. So, I think the dissenters at least got the skepticism part right. The problem, of course, is that a healthy level of skepticism should only inform the investigation of facts, and then perhaps new legislation and overs…

Sure, and if Trump and his goons were actually worried about issues with Dominion machines they should have filed lawsuits in every county that used the machines... it doesn’t take a genius to realize Trump et al only filed ridiculously vague complaints where he lost the vote as an insane last-ditch effort to somehow overturn his overwhelming loss and/or rile up his supporters.

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Post by CydeWeys »

djrogers wrote: post #521
enzanki_ars wrote: post #332

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In Ohio, we used the same Dominion voting systems with the same process: Poll worker validates proper ID, get ballot code for your precinct, walk to voting system, poll worker enters the precinct, voter validates info on screen, voter votes on the touch screen, system prints out choices, walk to scanner system, vote gets scanned, scanner stores those ballots in it's tray in case need for audit.

I feel so disconnected from this process here in California - I haven't been asked for ID to vote ever . AFAIK, we're not allowed to verify ID here...

It's a good thing not doing it. ID verification disenfranchises way more people than fraudulent votes prevented.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by throwaway12992 »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #420
tptacek wrote: post #134

Ken White has been talking about the potential for this suit for a couple weeks now. He spends a lot of time talking about what isn't defamation --- people use defamation suits and threats thereof to chill free speech, and he's a 1st Amendment guy --- but the Dominion cases are apparently examples of very serious defamation cases. The core of defamation is (1) a false statement of purported fact that (2) causes damag…

Part of the problem is that Republicanism has become a bit of a religion: public policy positions have been increasingly replaced with incoherent dogma. Republicans have been claiming for years, completely without merit, that Dominion has been involved in a variety of vote-changing schemes. It is highly doubtful that Giuliani ever even checked to determine where Dominion's machines were even being used before he star…

    Republicans have been claiming for years, completely 
    without merit, that Dominion has been involved in a 
    variety of vote-changing schemes
Just Republicans? https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19/8-times-liberals-claime...

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by bena »

purchaceallsus wrote: post #349
tunesmith wrote: post #232

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You can create a sworn affidavit that says you suspected someone did something evil. It's a true statement that doesn't prove someone did something evil.

Did you read the affidavits? They include statements of fact, not just "I felt it was wrong." They can therefore be disproven with material evidence. If they are disproven with material evidence then that person will go to jail.

Only if they knowingly engaged in deception.

They could also just be wrong.

There's a reason why eye-witness testimony is one of the weakest forms of evidence there is.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by justapassenger »

qwerty12345678 wrote: post #546
wcunning wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As to (3), Ken and others have also pointed out, Rudy or Sydney Powel being lawyers have a duty to know this sort of thing so there's a chance that they'll be found to have actual malice even without a finding that Rudy was knowingly lying.

Serious Question: Why is everyone assuming they're lying? And why doesn't anyone want to prove Biden won? From my perspective, the accusations he made were completely dodged by Dominion and by Democrats (since their guy was labeled the winner by the media). I'm not aware of any individual claim that was debunked via substantiating evidence. They refused to answer, refused to report it in the media, and ran full speed…

The process is like me demanding that you prove you aren’t pedophile, and do it only with a very specific evidence that I’ll accept.

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Post by oyvey_goyim »

javagram wrote: post #492
starik36 wrote: post #470

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The situation will be reversed for the next 2 years. Just watch.

Democrats have already introduced a new election integrity bill providing funds for secure voting. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/te... - Look for “Subtitle F—Promoting Accuracy, Integrity, And Security Through Voter-Verified Permanent Paper Ballot” Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump in 2020. Democrats are perfectly happy to spend even more money to “prove” their wins are real (altho…

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by oyvey_goyim »

wlesieutre wrote: post #375
purchaceallsus wrote: post #355

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Isn't this contradicted by reporters at the time saying that they were sent home for the night? Do we have video and audio of the event in question? edit: rather than downvoting me, please engage with the question so others can learn.

The ballots were on camera in the room the entire time, if reporters had been sent home they still wouldn't have appeared out of a mystery suitcase. They were sealed on camera, then unsealed on camera, and counted on camera. They have been counted and recounted and recounted. I don't know if reporters were "sent home" as you are claiming, or if they "left" as described by this video when election employees were initi…

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