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70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ookblah »

i like how there's two narratives here.

like i get it, personal information shouldn't be leaked and i feel bad for those users who weren't a part of the extremism and getting potentially doxxed for it.

at the same time anytime this happens to a larger corporation don't we absolutely SHIT on them for the substandard security procedures? and whatever happened w/ parler is looking more and more amateur hour here, nothing sophisticated to get the data.

just because it's some "underdog" suddenly it's okay?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by adrr »

beshrkayali wrote: post #69
stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

The ramifications of this will absolutely set a record for the future as the inevitable reverse will happen. People are forgetting that if they're ok with this sort of behavior now, it'll be difficult for them to argue-against or prevent the same behavior when their opposites are in control.

Ramification is Parler is going to be first company to see how effective CCPA is in punishing companies that have inadequate security.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by quotemstr »

tekstar wrote: post #431

All the claims about the big tech censoring Parler got it wrong. It's not about censure. It's about legality, and Parler fucked themselves. Apple told Parler to moderate their extremist content, and Parler refused. At that point, if Apple left Parler on the App Store, Apple would be complicit. Same story played out for all the services. And guess what, treason by definition is infectious. Giving aid to an enemy of th…

Refusal to impose extralegal speech restrictions is treason? No, it doesn't work like that. See the Brandenburg case. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by astrea »

kache_ wrote: post #334
astrea wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't we learn from 4/8chan that letting people post whatever they want (semi-)anonymously leads to disgusting behavior?

People cannot post whatever they want on 4chan. On boards such as /g/, and /sci/, any off topic discussion is banned, including blatantly racist content. Other than that, there is free discussion that can be quite enlightening. And just because you choose to use a website does not mean you agree with the fringes. Just because you're a reddit user, and reddit has gore subreddits, are you into gore?

You make 4chan sounds like a utopia. Clearly you've never seen the revenge porn, gore, doxxing, etc that happens (or at least used to happen, havent been there in years) on b/.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by herdcall »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

I doubt this. I'm on Parler and frequently see posts (I presume from left leaning folks) trashing the right side (e.g., Trump). Those posts are allowed with no issues. It is true that most opinions are right leaning (some viciously so), but that IMO reflects more on the members than on the moderation policy. Discussions on Twitter have a similar mix (left leaning to rabid Trump bashing), and I honestly don't find any difference in the fervor, except that Parler is right leaning and Twitter is left leaning.

The general tendency these days, fed by narratives from interested parties like the media, is to mash all right leaners (pretty much any one supporting the conservative ideas and opposing the Democrats) as clueless, racist, redneck, neo-Nazis (a bit of hyperbole here, but you see what I mean). Once you think that way (that "they're all nub jobs"), pretty much anything from leaking their user info to shutting them down to throwing them in jail would seem OK. Please, please don't fall into the trap and accept the "all right is nuts" narrative and decide for yourself.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dragonwriter »

jacksonkmarley wrote: post #533
newacct583 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler was ground zero for the community that announced and executed the attack on the capitol. Thought leaders there were routinely evoking, imagining, and outright calling for violence, and the crowd was a feedback loop. Fundamentally the Parler community existed to provide a platform for people who had been already banned from Twitter. Frankly the peaceful use of the site was mostly incidental. I think there's a r…

Well, there's this from Glenn Greenwald: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? > Zero. > The planning was largely done on Facebook. [0] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293?s=... edit: bad formatting

Well, there’s this by me:

> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler?

No, and neither does Greenwald, because its not like Parler has a real-name-to-account lookup function he has access to, or authorities have compiled and released breakdowns of all the social media accounts of arrestees, etc.

At best, Greenwald is fallaciously treating absence of information about their Parler use as information of absence of such use, at worst he's just making stuff up.

> The planning was largely done on Facebook.

Planning, including for the violence, was done on Parler among a wide variety of different sites. Actual journalists who are interested in investigating and reporting facts, and who haven’t abandoned actual journalism for pure ideological propaganda like Greenwald, have covered this, including the content of specific posts:

https://theconversation.com/far-right-activists-on-social-me...

https://www.propublica.org/article/capitol-rioters-planned-f...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/07/capitol...

https://www.vox.com/recode/22221285/trump-online-capitol-rio...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #341
simlevesque wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extreme growth hacking

Yeah, just open the flood gates to bots. Twitter would be 100x as large now. Wasn't it something like 99% of e-mail was spam? The downsides of an open / decentralized platform.

Maybe we should stop idolizing free speech, and instead work towards inexpensive speech :)

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

KnobbleMcKnees wrote: post #567
bzb6 wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m one of the most right wing and pro free speech humans to ever set foot on this site. You are beating up the wrong person. I was merely replying to you regardless of what your parent comment said.

They're using this bad faith / fallacious argument all over the thread, so, at the least, it isn't personal.

I'm in perfectly fine faith, and I'd love for you to point out the fallacies.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Finnucane »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #498
Finnucane wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is certainly arguable that if this data contained evidence of serious crimes--such as plotting treason and murder of government officials--then under normal circumstances, it should be turned over to the appropriate agencies, such as the FBI, and not released publicly, so as to not doxx people who may not necessarily have committed any crime beyond the poor judgement of hanging with fascists. Whether we can beleiv…

That’s a fine argument, and if someone had seen such a thing, it might even change my mind. But this was done preemptively: “that probably exists, so this is probably okay.”

Some of it had been seen. The folks plotting criminal stuff weren't especially good at keeping it hidden.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by mleonhard »

macintux wrote: post #541
mleonhard wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your claim that terrorists are a threat to our democracy. As long as most of the people in the country believe in democracy, the country will continue to have democracy. The real threat to democracy is allowing leaders to stop following the democratic process. For example, on 02021-01-06, 147 congresspeople voted to throw out the votes from an entire state, even after their party had pursued the ap…

Those Congresspeople were responding to, and enabling, the same terrorists. These are not two separate discussions.

Can you please explain how they were enabling the terrorists? Did the congresspeople get the Capitol Police to stand down? Even if they did, that is a separate thing from throwing out votes.

The country could have terrorist acts every day and still have democracy. Our congresspeople could have their meetings in an underground bunker, wear body armor all the time, and travel in armored vehicles, and it would still be democracy. Democracy means the people decide who has power.

Terrorists can use violence and may change some people minds, but they cannot destroy our democracy. Democracy exists in the minds of US voters.

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