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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by freehunter »

oauea wrote: post #560
freehunter wrote: post #555

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>They are also doing everything they can to block people from distributing apps outside of their walled garden. People keep saying that but nothing on my Mac has ever stopped me from installing whatever software I want. I wish people would stop repeating this lie.

You already forgot about the Epic games debacle where Apple did exactly that?

I must have forgotten it because I can open the Epic store and play Fortnite on my Mac right now without any warnings. I actually just downloaded the installer right from epicgames.com and it installed just fine. Apple doesn't even try to stop me.

I remember Apple revoking Epic's access to Apple's developer tools because of a disagreement over their developer program TOS, but that only stops Epic from using Apple's tools. It does not prevent me from installing any software.

I have a ton of software on my Mac that's not part of the Apple developer program and the developers have never asked Apple's permission nor given Apple any money for the software and Apple has never once tried to block those developers from creating that software or me from installing and running it.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by joseph_grobbles »

monocularvision wrote: post #551
joseph_grobbles wrote: post #215

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"The name was approved by Apple years ago" This isn't going to be popular, however getting away with something for a period of time is not the same as being approved/sanctioned/etc. In the petition the author claimed that the app "spontaneously began violating" one of the guidelines, when clearly it has violated it all along. Yet that disingenuous angle is used constantly when people get away with something for a whi…

The app was _featured_ in the App Store. They didn’t get away with anything.

Yeah, someone said that, repeatedly, four hours ago. Why bother making this comment?

And given that they were explicitly breaking an app store rule, which they are now being held to: Yeah, they were getting away with something. I mean, this is patently obvious.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by nelsonenzo »

0xEFF wrote: post #359
webmobdev wrote: post #266

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> My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. Apple will definitely appreciate it if all of us would just shut up and let them screw us. While I appreciate your well-meaning advise to the author - pick your battles in life carefully - I'd like to add that using your anger constructively at some injustice is a positive move to…

Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

No, on retail shelves I expect to see an assault rifle with the logo of an enraged militant heading into battle where he will kill other human beings and/or be killed themselves.

Also, all the local stores in my town sell some sort of colorful box with drug capsules depicted on them. Many advertising that they give energy to stay awake.

Or I expect to see booze, depicted as booze, one of the most addictive and destructive drugs on the planet.

Or I expect to see.....any number of things which can be abused when used incorrectly.

No offense, but I think this argument is weak.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by freehunter »

oauea wrote: post #564
drKarl wrote: post #558

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They probably want their users to use their proprietary store, but I got a new MacBook Pro for work in September and I installed everything I needed and wanted using Hombrew and brew cask, so I didn't use the Apple Store at all. You can also Download .dmf files and install Apps that way. What is it that you say they do to prevent people installing Apps outside the Apple Store?

Apple requires software to be "notarized" (signed by apple) be able to run on newer Macs. Apple also blocks developers they do not like from notarizing apps. See Apple vs Epic. You might be able to bypass the notarization requirement as an end-user, if you have enough technical know-how, but good luck explaining that to your customers. Especially when all the dialogs are calling your software malicious, untrustworthy…

>Apple requires software to be "notarized"

This is not exactly true and you know it. For example:

>if you have enough technical know-how

You right click the app and then click open.

>Especially when all the dialogs are calling your software malicious, untrustworthy, etc.

Another lie. The dialog says "this is from an unidentified developer" and does not say anything about being malicious or untrustworthy. What is your beef with Apple that you're so willing to say so many outright lies on a forum filled with people who know better and can call you out on it?

Windows does this with UAC. Many Linux distros require executables to be explicitly set with the +x flag. macOS is not unique in this, and like with the other OSes it's a security feature.

Check out the warning and "bypass" for yourself: https://www.macworld.com/article/3140183/how-to-install-an-a...

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by michaelmrose »

0xEFF wrote: post #359
webmobdev wrote: post #266

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> My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. Apple will definitely appreciate it if all of us would just shut up and let them screw us. While I appreciate your well-meaning advise to the author - pick your battles in life carefully - I'd like to add that using your anger constructively at some injustice is a positive move to…

Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

It's less reasonable when the store is the only one people are legally allowed to buy a product category at.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by Brian_K_White »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #513
MauranKilom wrote: post #464

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> When I buy a game called "Surgeon Simulator" I don't expect to receive actual surgeon training Fun fact: There are serious surgery training apps in the app stores. Surgeons, too, like to practice in a simulation rather than on real patients.

The point is that the game should not be removed for violating some silly guideline because its title contains “simulator”.

Fine. GTA then. Are you just playing idiots advocate?

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Post by michaelmrose »

badwolf wrote: post #552
factorialboy wrote: post #472

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It is unreasonable when the store is the only store in town, and the town (Apple ecosystem) ensures monopoly of that single store.

You can download Mac apps outside of the Mac App Store.

You mean after you spend at least $700 on a mac mini. Install developer tools. Learn enough about version control to clone the source and pay $100 annually.

Can we just admit that most people actually can't reasonably be expected to do so?

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by Brian_K_White »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #559
twitch-chat wrote: post #516

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How is it a net downside? The entire purpose of the App Store being locked down is that it's reliable. There is no way any HR department will launch an investigation because you downloaded an app called Amphetamine. Worst case scenario they go look it up and realize there's nothing more to the situation. I'd have to see a documented event of this happening rather than a hypothetical scenario to believe a downside act…

Just because your HR would be ok with it doesn’t mean all would be

Just because you imagine it's a problem doesn't mean it is.

Like they said, doc or it didn't happen.

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