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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

npsimons wrote: post #489
gameswithgo wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. Banned after that. Which is fine, I feel that people should be free to form any clubs/groups they want.

> I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. This should be all anyone needs to know about how seriously these groups takes freeze peaches. Look at their actions, not their words.

You're assuming the people doing the banning and the people defending speech are the same people. Or even if some of them are, that they represent everyone who supports the same political views.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dkdk8283 »

calinet6 wrote: post #431
motohagiography wrote: post #422

This is how the internet is supposed to work. Encounters damage, routes around it. Censorship is damage, and people are routing around it. As someone who never engaged with FB/Twitter from the beginning because I thought they were terrible ideas (all the rules, risks, and challenges of elite-level competition with none of the benefits), I was very glad to read this because this kind of divergence is precisely what cr…

I see it as the opposite: this may be how a technical network is supposed to work, but it's not how a society is supposed to work. The internet has created the ability for any given subculture to discover instant validation and reinforce their beliefs into a tribe, which further solidifies and extremifies those beliefs. It's a psychological power almost equivalent to a nuclear reaction: beliefs and ideas that might h…

Censoring and filtering ideas will just lead to evasion of the filters. It will never work, we need to embrace free speech and let people believe as they choose.

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Post by whimsicalism »

mjfl wrote: post #475
calinet6 wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm saying that censorship isn't the long-term solution here, because it's untenable from a human rights perspective as well as simply a functional perspective (people don't like it). We'll need to find something better, but it's difficult to imagine what shape that'll take at this point.

then I would say your vision is incoherent since you obviously aren't for small pockets "absolute free speech" but aren't willing to commit yourself to controlling speech ubiquitously which would be necessary to prevent the former.

While I disagree with the GP, I think you are drawing a false dichotomy and there are multiple conceptions of free speech besides the negative, non-interferential, liberal one that would permit limits on some speech without "ubiquitous" control.

Take, for instance, limits on total expenditures on political speech over $1,000,000.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by ahelwer »

pydry wrote: post #535
eternalban wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not lose sleep over a world war. The social classes (globally) that are flooring the accelerator have no desire to glow in the dark. And we're not in lockdown globally so that the elite can spend time in bunkers deep underground. We're in lockdown so that elite privileges ("Grand Tour", etc.) can be restored, while the "common man" is put in his or her place, with strict regiments governing thought, speech, a…

It's funny, there's a scene at the beginning of the play "an inspector calls" (set just before WW1) that mirrors exactly what you just said. I think it was a historical callback to a real, commonly held opinion at the time ("the interests of capital" was how he phrased it). I don't think our elites particularly want a world war either. I think they're perfectly prepared to push us in that direction in an attempt to c…

The difference is nukes.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by kordlessagain »

smallnamespace wrote: post #521
dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

> Everyone is so negative, pessimistic, judgemental, sarcastic in tone, confrontational, and self righteous. People are posting so much shit it’s unbelievable how much time they waste of their lives there. One huge thread after another, people crying for attention. > I was part of the problem too. Not to be overly personal here, but doesn't this post veer close to describing itself?

Oversharing is a thing with modern media. But, does the emotional response really feel different than in person interactions?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dragonwriter »

LatteLazy wrote: post #410
gameswithgo wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. Banned after that. Which is fine, I feel that people should be free to form any clubs/groups they want.

I agree broadly though I'd add two caveats: They can't do that AND profess to support free speech within their club. I think people should be able to form their groups as they like. But that doesn't mean that that group is a healthy place or that it doesn't harm wider society. I'm also not clear whether this is a group of people forming under their own initiative (as is their democratic right). Or if its actually som…

> They can't do that AND profess to support free speech within their club.

This is, empirically, false.

Just as the right can chant “freedom of religion” and mean by that “freedom of my religion to impose it's views on others while others are suppressed”, they can also chant “freedom of speech” and mean the exact same thing with “speech” in place of “religion”.

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Post by yashap »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #569

I tried to create a throwaway account and comment on a Reddit thread yesterday. It was denied due to lack of karma. A few weeks ago I tried to create a throwaway on Reddit to create a new post but the post was immediately removed due to lack of karma. Twitter now requires I provide a cell phone number to create an account. It throws up on me by suspending my account if a new account is unused for a few days. Requires…

The Reddit and Twitter controls, at least, are attempts to stem the tide of bots and spam. They’re trying to keep the quality of discussion higher on their platform, and I appreciate that as a user. I think the controls are reasonable.

Facebook is creepy as fuck though. Recently I was logging on from a new location, and haven’t given them my phone number for 2FA. The only option they provided was for me to send in photos of my DRIVER’S LICENSE - are you kidding me?

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Post by fullshark »

permo-w wrote: post #325

I’m starting to think that this could actually be good news for left-leaning people. It’s entirely possible that separated from the people they usually fight against, and isolated in their own platform, conservative voices, people who have made careers out of rhetorical conflict, will begin to fight among themselves. and this can only benefit the left. It’s also very possible that Parler will only go uncensored for s…

Just what we need, stronger filter bubbles and less debate across ideological divides.

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Post by kordlessagain »

epistasis wrote: post #500
dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

Wow, that's rather shocking to me. I find Twitter to be a fantastic news source, with higher concentration of good links than HN, and often see stuff there far before it shows up ok HN. The thing about Twitter is that it is entirely about who you follow, and what those people talk about and retweet. So if somebody is a source of toxicity, unfollow them. I have a very low threshold for both following and unfollowing.…

Leaving curation to the user means certain users will have good feeds and others will have horrible feeds, with the default being horrible feeds.

Thus, Twitter is horrible, no matter the fake emotional output of a single user's anecdotal experience.

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