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Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by reader_mode »

dekhn wrote: post #530
jkelleyrtp wrote: post #18

Just want to put here that if you're using a Mac and haven't tried Safari recently, you're missing out. A few things: - Battery life is fantastic compared to Chrome/FF - Privacy seems to be top-notch - The tab ordering situation is now chrome-like (my biggest gripe in older versions of safari) - Experimental features are 1 click away, easily enable/disable WebGL2 - Support for the WebExtensions standard means addons…

I have absolutely zero interest in using a browser that is locked to a single platform. I move constantly between Windows and Linux (I don't have any Mac machines right now) and the idea of using a different browser on each platform seems crazy.

I'm kind of in a same boat with switching (and I use an Android phone) but I use OSX primarily - still using Safari on MBP is a noticeably better experience than chrome or FF - fan noise alone is worth the switch.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by voisin »

jkelleyrtp wrote: post #18

Just want to put here that if you're using a Mac and haven't tried Safari recently, you're missing out. A few things: - Battery life is fantastic compared to Chrome/FF - Privacy seems to be top-notch - The tab ordering situation is now chrome-like (my biggest gripe in older versions of safari) - Experimental features are 1 click away, easily enable/disable WebGL2 - Support for the WebExtensions standard means addons…

> tab ordering situation

What are you referring to? I have upgraded but haven’t noticed a difference.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by yoz-y »

kd913 wrote: post #310
haunter wrote: post #123

Running iOS apps on the M1 Macs feels like such a game changer. Literally too cause a lot of games have been ported to iOS and now you can easily run them on Macs that were not possible before (Final Fantasy franchise for example). People can now play PUBG (although the mobile version but still). Fortnite (which have been removed but if you have downloaded it before you can still play it). And so many other games. I…

I am wondering if this marks the death of Safari on the web tbh. That and most OS X apps. If a user can download and run the Amazon Prime app, why bother supporting Safari? The App version supports detection of VPNs, supports analytics etc... Same applies with Netflix, Disney+ etc... Then there are the devs which have OS X and iOS apps. Why would they maintain two code bases when now they can just support the iOS app…

People who develop actual macOS apps usually like the native look and feel. SwiftUI made it relatively easy to have a single code base for parts and still have separate and distinct programs for iOS and macOS. This however only applies to new stuff. I dread the idea that people will start ditching the electron apps in favour of desktop hostile iPad apps.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by mauflows »

jacobolus wrote: post #375
thiht wrote: post #166

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> - Actually decent dev tools (used to be terrible) As a daily user of Safari, I can't let you say that. The devtools suck. The network tools suck (why is it so hard to find the request payload??), the elements tools suck, there are basically no extensions (React, Redux, etc.). They are just horrible. As much as I try to use only Safari, I still fallback on Firefox Dev when I need some real devtools. I use it for the…

> consistent rendering issues This is because lazy/incompetent web developers make their sites in Chrome and don’t bother testing other browsers. You could have said the same about any browser that wasn’t IE a decade ago.

Or they just don't own a Mac and have mixed results with virtualization. Maybe instead of blaming them recognize that Safari is extremely inaccessible software for most people

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by diebeforei485 »

sysashi wrote: post #427

I have not even upgraded to Catalina yet, fearing all the breaking stuff I've heard of on HN. I'm just so frustrated about upgrade process, 90% of the time it won't work first time and will break my Windows partition in some way. Why can't it be like upgrading bunch of packages with `pacman -Syu`...

Catalina is quite stable at this point. You do lose support for 32-bit apps, but at this point that is mostly games.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by diebeforei485 »

skuthus wrote: post #562

As of now it says the issue is 'resolved' for users failing update, but none of my macs attempting to upgrade agree with that status.

Likewise. I get an Installation failed error when trying to download it, with this helpful explanation: An error occurred while installing the selected updates.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by yoz-y »

haunter wrote: post #198
rasz wrote: post #195

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Comparing Phone games to desktop ones is like comparing Modern art to finger painting. Sure, it kinda does look like Starry Night at first glance, but is it?

>Comparing Phone games to desktop ones Yeah but where is the border? There are lot of games on iOS that are basically the same as on PC/consoles maybe with a different UI and lower graphics. But you get the same features and experience. You can now play GTA San Andreas on your Mac cause it was released on iOS. And it's one of the best game ever https://apps.apple.com/us/app/grand-theft-auto-san-andreas/i... Genshin I…

Oh come on. GTA San Andreas is a great game, but it also came out for Play Station 2, 16 years ago!

There is some hope with games made specifically for controllers that are not hobbled by on screen controls but still. Claims of “console level graphics” are only true because a PS3 is a console, which is about the level of graphics an iOS device can handle.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

kall wrote: post #557
debaserab2 wrote: post #369

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Genuinely curious: what are you developing that you don’t ever need the network tab?

I don‘t know, like, average SPA stuff, a lot of React. I just considered what the network tab actually is and I have of course used it before, to work on the loading speed of sites, but haven‘t done that for a while. The only performance work I‘ve done recently is with react profiler. I have never used it to inspect API requests, which I assume it can do? I‘m comfortable with Charles proxy, which is likely overkill.…

I was going to tease you but you've realized the error of your ways. Unless you don't value your time, by all means, continue to use Charles and Paw. Network tab is great.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by mthoms »

saagarjha wrote: post #479
aledthemathguy wrote: post #403

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why does it work like this in macos? (meaning - it seems to be running an outside process to block ads, unlike in Chrome where the process is internal to the browser, is this correct? as a windows user i was puzzled by this when installing adguard

It doesn't, the Adguard developers just chose to write their app in such a way that their main app (which is an Electron app) needs to be in the loop for everything.

Actually it's true - Adguard needs to run as a standalone process that lives in the menu bar in order to work properly with Safari. This permanent process does appear to be Electron based.

My guess is that it's engineered like this to simplify their code base(s) between their various free plugins and their paid "Adguard for Mac" and "Adguard for Windows" apps.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Post by od0 »

gnachman wrote: post #347

I released iTerm2 version 3.4.0 this morning with Big Sur support. Please update because 3.3 has various issues with it.

thank you for the work - love iTerm2
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