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San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by philsnow »

refurb wrote: post #523
helm33 wrote: post #426

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Colorado is horrible. Denver gets 10 feet of snow every winter. Austin is way better.

To each his own I guess. Austin is nice, but comes no where close to the natural beauty of Colorado. I'd put it 2nd the West Coast. Texas is just flatness and trees. The rivers are nice though.

I'm reminded of the

  SMATTERING OF QUOTES FROM THE ULTIMA VII TEAM
section in the USECODE file from Ultima VII, specifically

  "Looks like shit... could be west Texas."
  - PHILIP
...... because apparently my brain remembers free association tidbits like the above that I found while (cluelessly) digging in binary game data files ~27 years ago.

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Post by sizzle »

xivzgrev wrote: post #171
mxcrossb wrote: post #26

> The figures underscore how the pandemic has roiled property markets and changed renter preferences. With companies allowing employees to work from home, people have fled cramped and costly urban areas in droves, seeking extra room in the suburbs or cheaper cities. I am skeptical. Yes a lot of Bay Area companies are allowing work from home for now, but are people really weighing that so heavily that they’re moving?…

You’d be surprised. There is a surge of demand away from metro areas eg upstate NY, Tahoe, etc. I don’t get it. The pandemic will get under control, and people will go back to offices. Will employers require 5x per week in office, or 2-3x per week, or perm WFH?

I'm never going back, my employer be damned it's too convenient not having an open office distraction when coding is a game changer for me.

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Post by thu2111 »

kelnos wrote: post #522
mancerayder wrote: post #365

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I don't know why you were downvoted. Even if someone supports renaming a school called Lincoln to something else, the ... extreme nature of such a thing is a consideration for people to consider whether or not SF is a nice place to live. Because there are people in charge making decisions like this, and people in charge wield power, and if you live in SF you'll be subservient to these leaders. I'll add, the fact ther…

I think the downvotes fall into two categories. Some people agree with the renaming, and others just don't care either way. In a subthread about why people might want to move away from SF, "they're going to rename some schools" is not particularly relevant, and comes off a little flamebaity. My personal opinion is that some of the renaming is a bit over the top, but I'm glad we're re-examining our historical "heroes"…

Of course it's relevant. It says a lot about the local government, about their priorities and perhaps about the people who live there that led to it. Their attitudes on this are reflective of their attitudes on other things. The exodus is being driven at a surface level by the lockdowns, but by now the lockdowns are well past the point of being driven by leftist ideology. See:

https://www.city-journal.org/california-race-coding-criteria...

End of lockdowns in CA are being tied to vague "racial justice" goals. These things are all connected. Renaming a high school says "we consider this the most important thing we could be working on right now" which is clearly absurd when you consider the real problems CA has.

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Post by thu2111 »

ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #477
xvilka wrote: post #423

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Even if all of them go bust this year, there will be new ones once population return and will need entertainment. The nature of entertainment might change a bit, but it will be still there.

Yeah, I’ll add that demand hasn’t gone anywhere, in fact, it’s higher than ever. When things fully reopen there’s gonna be a sort of boom in entertainment/restaurant/travel industry

I think there's an implicit assumption here that there will be a definite end date to this. I really hope there is, but there's another possibility that looks more likely as time goes on: lockdown has permanently broken the brains of some types of political leader and they will in fact never fully release the restrictions. Places like SF and NY will have long term restrictions lasting years, justified in the name of public health, the "new normal" and epidemic curves that never flatten (given current testing levels the curve can never drop to zero just due to FPs alone).

Many parts of the US will definitely go back to normal, but maybe not everywhere. It may be a permanent structural change in laws and government approaches.

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Post by diogenescynic »

vincentmarle wrote: post #123

I live in downtown SF: streets are filthy, homeless situation is worse than ever before, everything that I would want to do outside is closed, there’s no reason to live “close to work” anymore, I only go outside for groceries and laundry. I’m moving to LA in 3 weeks.

Really similar situation and just signed a lease in Sacramento. I’m so over San Francisco and its filth. Can’t wait to leave. I’m a Bernie voter, but London Breed and Chesa Boudin and their ilk are destroying this city.

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Post by Bayart »

kelnos wrote: post #486
jupp0r wrote: post #441

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France begs to differ. You have spectacularly good restaurants in rural areas all over the county (Michelin star good).

Sure, but you don't get the variety. If you move out to rural France but are used to rotating among eating Mexican, Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, Thai, etc. throughout the month, you might be disappointed with the lack of choices.

Being in rural France, I like trying some new foreign cuisine once in while as much as anybody else, but it wouldn't come to my mind to make it my daily routine.

Going out of your way to not eat local stuff is completely pointless to me. People take quite a lot of pride in having good stuff specific to their area.

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Post by jdmichal »

onecommentman wrote: post #546
jdmichal wrote: post #168

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And yet this is exactly what is done for farming: Paying farmers to leave fields fallow in order to maintain supply and thereby pricing. Dropping property prices shouldn't even be an issue for owners. Property value and thereby property taxes should also go down. As long as they can cover that, then they can continue to own the property. Except in reality everyone is actually leveraged against their property and don'…

I propose a moratorium on all analogies using, and discussions on, agricultural practices on any media based in the Bay Area or NYC. Not beating up on these posters. But geez, people... Our generation is unique in the history of the world in the social and cultural chasm between the vast majority of first-world people and the agricultural systems that generate their food. Practically everything written off-the-top on…

You had all the time to type that, but no time to type what was actually incorrect? I'd love to learn.

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Post by ghaff »

dylz wrote: post #445
sidlls wrote: post #433

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Sometimes people just want to go have a get-together including well-trod "comfort food" style means, but with someone else (the restaurant) doing the cooking and cleanup. I don't go to restaurants to be entertained by the food or "impressed" by the "creativity" of the chef, and I'd wager neither do most people.

Then you're looking for the equivalent of a solid takeaway place, not somewhere where you go for the "experience" and "gastronomy"

Or just about any diner.

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Post by refurb »

quicklyfrozen wrote: post #305
v77 wrote: post #214

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Looking at a map there really isn't much of a gap between LA and San Diego. It's pretty much one mega-city.

They still feel a world apart, though I expect that to change over the next 20 years.

That’s a good way to put it. The two cities just have a very different feel to them.

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Post by ghaff »

kelnos wrote: post #567
Pokepokalypse wrote: post #537

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I would flag github as a more crucial requirement. We've had various im/irq platforms for decades. They weren't really a substitute for video - but video is only a tiny fraction of team communications, and simple chat satisfies most of those requirements.

You're thinking too small. A tiny fraction of the people in the US use GitHub. Even a relatively small fraction (certainly under 50%) can use Zoom to do their jobs. Remote collaboration tools like GH have been crucial for remote work for software developers, but that's a really small slice of the pie.

Even at companies that employ software developers, many don't use GitHub specifically or don't use much. And most of the sales, marketing, finance people at those companies don't use GitHub much either. Many of the developers I know were collaborating on open source projects around the world before GitHub came along so it's hardly a prereq.
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