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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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following the wikipedia article I found https://www.avclub.com/twitter-releases-statement-confirming... "Twitter releases statement confirming it'll never ban Donald Trump"

Maybe. But there's probably a business model out there this is simply a Twitter clone that waits for the Trump account to move there, and bang, instant success.

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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It was a message, directly to law enforcement, that he thinks it’s okay for them to shoot protestors so long as there is looting. I can’t see how anyone would see that as anything other than a crime against humanity

No, I don't think it was. A plain reading of the quote does not direct anyone, to do, anything. It is an observation. Just like it was your observation (and opinion) that it said something different. The questions are this: Who is right? Who decides that?

>A plain reading of the quote does not direct anyone, to do, anything.

Ah yes, and his followers are widely known for their highly nuanced and level-headed understanding of things he says (and politics in general) /s.

>The questions are this: Who is right? Who decides that?

On whether egregiously advocating violence is ok? Really?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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As someone of mixed ethnicity who, if I was there could easily be victimized by a senseless mob to whom I owe nothing and have committed no crime against.. yea I am not happy with how the mainstream media promotes and covers this story, downplaying the victims of the chaos and sympathizing with outpourings of anger even if illegal. To clarify, looters should not be shot, law should prevail, and the policeman involved in the original incident should be investigated.. but the mainstream media is to my mind basically behind the looters, and I know if by chance I or someone like me were to be caught in the crossfire and killed, the mainstream media, posturing as champions of justice, would just implicitly shrug. So yea I can't help but feel disaffected by this coverage, no matter how vile the originating incident.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

Seriously. Twitter and Facebook are full of liberals talking about "bringing back the guillotine" but I don't see any of that getting censored.

I'm pretty conflicted on this issue overall, but I don't think it's entirely nuts to hold the President of the US to a higher standard than many other accounts.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Maybe. But there's probably a business model out there this is simply a Twitter clone that waits for the Trump account to move there, and bang, instant success.

There is and they (Gab) get an okay number of likes on every one of his posts promoting it. [0] Also Facebook is now well positioned to be his next platform if he moves off twitter. 0. https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1266347307391488002

Trump isn't moving to Facebook, regardless of Zuck's attempt to pandering to his childish outbursts. Twitter is precisely suited to Trump's micro-tantrum thoughts, where Facebook is orthogonal. I would argue that the brevity of Twitter, and the adversarial nature of it, made Trump and the imbecile-right (e.g. not conservative -- it's a bunch of flag wavers who have close to zero political lean of knowledge...they just want to hate).

P.S. I know this comment is auto-dead, and that's okay.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Instead of being the police, Twitter should do what Rotten Tomatoes does. There are plenty of people - journalists and researchers analyzing the facts behind what celebrities say. They should analyze what the analysts say and display a score.

Even better, directly link the research on the topic, from both sides. Instead of drawing a conclusion on behalf of everybody, give people what they need to draw their own.

That's what already happens. Look at the comments on any prominent person's tweet and you'll see people going back and forth about what's right and what's false.

No one needs to do anything here. People can research and find stuff out for themselves, and come to their own conclusions.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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No. This man holds the office of the POTUS. There are certain responsibilities that come with it. The officeholder cannot make deadly threats publicly and expect everyone to just shrug it off.

But does that responsibility extend to other members of Government, or just the President?

You seem to be arguing throughout this thread that the President's comment is akin to saying "red sky at morning, sailors take warning." As if he's predicting a rain storm. But he's not just some guy at the marina, he's the President. It's also useful to look at what he isn't saying. He isn't calling for an investigation into the death or the lack of prosecution or the racial divide in the country or acknowledging the rage and anger of the non-white community that keeps being treated differently from the white community. His followers will hear this statement, "when the looting starts the shooting starts" as a dog whistle call "it's OK to start shooting." Or further, "I expect you to put this slave revolt down."

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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How about this one: https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?...

You could say requesting dox is a form of violence. But it's a lot less violent than ordering the military to shoot people. It's reasonable that a policy of removing tweets that glorify violence would catch one but not the other.

Which is violence: Doxing, or using the information to call in a swat team? If the swatting occured, it was the Doxing which directly led to it. It's a loaded gun.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Erm, what? This is just not true, and is a false dichotomy. Moderation is hard. Always has been. Stuff will slip through the cracks. POTUS has the most popular (and currently most controversial - note, that's _controversial_ not _extreme_ or some other morph) so it's easy to see why Twitter are on top of it. Other blue-checked accounts, whilst more "important" than unverified, just simply don't compare to the importa…

If most of the mistakes happen in one direction, then I would argue that there's some other mechanism at work than just "mistakes". Update: data https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-tw... Update: admission https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

The link you've characterized as an admission discusses internal bias, and doesn't say anything about bias in moderating.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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It depends on who and what. And it's the inconsistency that will fuel the critics. They didn't suspend Spike Lee who caused direct harm to a private individual who happened to share a name with an infamous individual: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/spike-lee-settles-twi...

Because suspending Spike Lee would have required someone at Twitter to make that decision, and they're not going to do that. But will leap at the chance for Trump. It's been a clear double standard for years.

Yes, double standard to protect Trump. Who has for years twitted violent stuff, racist stuff, and Twitter had let it slide. I don't get this weird victim mentality of Trump folks. Trump has been treated with kid gloves by Twitter. Meanwhile, the largest broadcast network is literally Trump's state media.
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