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Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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This is a situation of their own making. They're the ones that pushed for invisible automatic extension upgrades. Firefox's old system of you needing to manually initiate upgrades was much more secure, and encouraged user responsibility for the code running on their machines. Google wants to infantilize the user, take away all choice, claim users can't make good decisions and then claim anything control they remove i…

> Google wants to infantilize the user, take away all choice, claim users can't make good decisions and then claim anything control they remove is for the user's benefit. As a developer with 18 years experience, I am not sure I have the time to make good decisions. I am not going to audit the code of everything I install by reputation. An average user has no hope.

No offence but you seem to have just done exactly what GP accuses Google (and most other big s/w corps to be honest) of doing. I am an average user (in the sense I'm not a professional s/w dev although I do know coding and have a more than normal interest in the inner workings of computers, but most youth are similar anyway. No one is dumb unless they've been trained to relinquish thought), and in two decades of using computers and the Internet I have to say I did not get hoodwinked into installing a single malware or getting a single virus. And uptil at least the last decade s/w wasn't as controlling and infantilising as it has lately become, and I got along just fine. In fact the slight difficulty actually enabled me to learn interesting stuff which modern UX almost totally stonewalls with its opaque "let me hold your hand" interfaces.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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post #561

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This is a situation of their own making. They're the ones that pushed for invisible automatic extension upgrades. Firefox's old system of you needing to manually initiate upgrades was much more secure, and encouraged user responsibility for the code running on their machines. Google wants to infantilize the user, take away all choice, claim users can't make good decisions and then claim anything control they remove i…

> Google wants to infantilize the user, take away all choice, claim users can't make good decisions and then claim anything control they remove is for the user's benefit. As a developer with 18 years experience, I am not sure I have the time to make good decisions. I am not going to audit the code of everything I install by reputation. An average user has no hope.

Random thoughts

1. I generally trust when I update linux that things have been inspected. Maybe I'm dumb. I also trust that if I don't update immediately but a few weeks or months later, if anything snuck in it has been found, reverted, fixed. So, by not making updating automatic that would seem to help somewhat?

Of course the opposite is if there is a critical vulnerability then automatic updating helps many people. I believe this is mostly why Windows is so insistant on updates is that so many non-tech users were not updating and then getting powned.

2. It seems like maybe there'd be a market for a curated service. Neither Google's App store, nor Apple's, nor the Chrome Web Store, nor the Firefox Extension Gallery are curated well IMO. They are all 80-95% full of crappy software meant to scam you in one way or another.

I wonder if someone would make a startup that for $$ curated software and/or extensions including checking changes. Maybe publishers would have to pay to certified or maybe users would pay to fund the checking. Well I can wish :P

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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It would reduce conflicts of interest. For example, The Chrome Company would optimize for user experience rather than advertising profits.

No, the Chrome company would go out of business.

If it will go out of business in a functioning market, it should.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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You could, unless you're like me and having never been on Blink. I've been using Firefox for almost 20 years straight, since it was Phoenix. Edge is my backup/secondary browser and it's great. If you want the benefits of Chrome without Google, Microsoft is the final boss that can't and won't be pushed around by Google.

I love how, despite even kowtowing to the pro-Mozilla brigade here with assurances that you’ve long been a faithful user of their product, the fact that you said anything good about MS Edge still caused your text to get disappeared. They must feel threatened by it. The second MS Edge is on Ubuntu or Arch, I’m installing it! And I’m absolutely certain that if MS keeps adblocking facilities in place while Chrome drops…

I am a Firefox diehard, but I have been using and following Edge since MS put out the first canary. It's definitely my second choice. Firefox has enough exclusive features (like containers) that keep me from moving to a Chromium browser. For me, everything is chosen based on merit, not some belief system that a Blink-only world would be a terrible thing. I'm not sure that matters at all, and don't buy into that narrative that we need it for choice. There are still major players all building off it, and could diverge again. The Microsoft executive that suggested Firefox join them as a Chromium variant was correct. If anything ever pulled me away from FF it will be Edge for sure, and mostly because it is Chromium based.

My intended audience with that original post was the legion of Chrome users, but I could see how the Firefox cult (which I've long been a part of, check my oldest HN posts) could see it as negative or the "wrong answer". I never found Chrome to be quite right in all the times I've kicked the tires over the years. But on Windows, Edge being the native browser will ensure it's optimized to get the absolute best battery life out of laptop, a huge perk, and is quite frankly on the merits just shaping up to be a great Chrome-alternative on all platforms. No reason to resist the right-answer just because Microsoft is the one that appears to be bringing it.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Well yes, but technologically, it's the only non-KHTML descendant browser engine in development. Mozilla is working on the revenue issue, though it is a considerable concern. The best thing we can do to help Mozilla is to simply use Firefox and try and bump its market share numbers up.

Genuine question: what are they doing to alleviate the issues of Gecko rendering compared to Blink? As I understand it, most developers target Chrome, so they make it work with Blink, not Gecko.

Mozilla is using the a built-in add-on called Go Faster to resolve compatibility issues with poorly tested sites.

https://github.com/mozilla/webcompat-addon

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Compatibility/Go_Faster_Addon/Overr...

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/07/firefox-68-bigints-contras...

The add-on uses data from WebCompat, and there are several ways you can report site issues:

https://webcompat.com

https://webcompat.com/contributors/report-bug

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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This is macOS specific & apparently actively being investigated, not present here on Linux.

Sadly it’s been 5 years. I’ve reported it many times with lots of logs.

There have apparently been considerable improvements in this area in the latest Nightly/Developer editions, not in stable yet.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Google is famous for this type of attrition damage tactic. Read this: https://twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871231792455686 It goes like this: Google bans or disables something, then they pretend they made a mistake, but still delay fixing it for days or weeks while giving amateurish explanations for these delays. In the end what this tactic achieves, is hampering a software Google disapproves (or competes against).…

This sort of evil behavior doesn't require intent or actual malice to form. All it requires is that panic efforts to fix things be primarily allocated to problems that hurt google and not primarily allocated to things that hurt google's opponents. Or for infrastructure that has a history of hurting google to get disabled while infrastructure that has a history of hurting others gets ignored in favor of spending more…

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Firefox is really dying compared to Chrome but I honestly think this is going to cause it to rebound. People aren't going to be happy without uBlock and Ad Block... Google has been REALLY dropping the ball in the last 2-5 years. What's a NEW Google product that you actually like (that they didn't acquire)? They literally CAN NOT build new products that people like. ... all their hardware products suck. New things lik…

Google Photos is fantastic.

The free unlimited high quality storage is great, but as someone who just switched to iOS after many years with Android, the implementation of folders/albums is REALLY poor compared to iCloud.

There's absolutely no mapping between folders and albums. If you sync your photos and don't organize them into albums manually every time, the folder structure is lost completely.

Pretty much all Android apps will only let you pick images from folders. There's usually an option buried in the hamburger menu to pick images from Google Photos, but you can only see ALL your photos lumped together, no option to choose from an album.

Sure, you can use the share feature in Google Photos, but that doesn't work if you need to use the image in a specific context, for example replying to a specific tweet.

With iCloud this all works seamlessly, my only gripe is that album order does not appear to be synced and even if I reorder them on my device, many apps appear to list albums in creation order. But overall it's still better.

Re: A uBlock Origin update was rejected from the Chrome Web Store

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Same experience here. Browsing with Firefox increases my CPU temperature by 10 degrees.

This is macOS specific & apparently actively being investigated, not present here on Linux.

I'm a Linux user. While browsing with Chrome my CPU temperature hovers around 45 degrees. If I start using Firefox it increases to 55 degrees.
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