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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by whenchamenia »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #473
rainyMammoth wrote: post #235

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It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

Pretty sure there are regulations and just common sense preventing allowing people to hack and tinker with their car software, as that would be very dangerous both for the owners and for the public when such cars would be driving on public roads.

Nope, only epa registered emissions affecting stuff is verboten. But even that seems unenforced, as you can find ecu tuners and piggybacks everywhere. I have personally tuned my older cars to have better emissions, so its not only for racers and the environmentally unconcerned.

Tldr; I drive a fleet of hacked cars on the road daily. Its fine.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by throw0101a »

DangerousPie wrote: post #503
jmchuster wrote: post #480

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i have an analog vehicle, and the car doesn't need to have to remember my settings because they are physically in the same location.

And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings?

> And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings?

There have been cars that change various settings depending on the key fob used ("hers and his"):

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoJPgFSDOE

Before fobs, where you actually put the key in the ignition hols, there were cars with "memory buttons".

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by whenchamenia »

damon_c wrote: post #230
rainyMammoth wrote: post #225

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Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

It's not that complicated. Drive one and you will see that they are pretty different from any other car in a number of ways.

This argument is tired. Many people drive teslas without being particularly impressed by anything but the torque. Its certainly not build quality.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

codeulike wrote: post #461
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Most electric cars like the Leaf and Niro EV have traditional analog controls for AC and most other features. The touchscreen is mostly used for Satnav and music/radio in those cars. And really can you imagine Satnav without a touchscreen keyboard?

> The touchscreen is mostly used for Satnav and music/radio in those cars.

I already have a smartphone, which does both of these things better, and which I've already configured to my liking. The only thing a car can do better than my phone for either of these use cases is audio, so just give me a jack please.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

theshrike79 wrote: post #518
codeulike wrote: post #461

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Most electric cars like the Leaf and Niro EV have traditional analog controls for AC and most other features. The touchscreen is mostly used for Satnav and music/radio in those cars. And really can you imagine Satnav without a touchscreen keyboard?

This is mostly because of legacy issues. They have a supplier that has been doing analog knobs for them for half a century, and they're kind of obliged to still use their knobs. Also the designers are very much in the "everything has to have a button" -mindset, which is hard to get out of.

> Also the designers are very much in the "everything has to have a button" -mindset, which is hard to get out of.

Good!

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

skykooler wrote: post #366
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Sounds like you want the Bollinger B1. https://bollingermotors.com/bollinger-b1/

That actually looks like exactly what I want, but we'll see if the reality lives up to their marketing materials.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by whenchamenia »

smileysteve wrote: post #135
tidepod12 wrote: post #131

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Traffic rules don't just magically go away just because you enter a parking lot. edit: the parent comment edited his comment to include "no right way", which I'd like to address: it is very common (at least in every America city I've ever been to) for parking lots to have lanes that are very clearly marked for only one-way travel. These lanes, like the one shown in the video, are typically only wide enough for one ca…

Legally, they kind of do.

In most states, any publicly accessable roadway is enforcable by highway codes. Google parking lot dui.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager »

Angostura wrote: post #489
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

I'd amend this a bit. I'm happy with digital read-outs, however driver input should in most cases through an analogue knob or switch. I love Carplay in my car, but I'm luck enough ti have physical volume and next/last track button on a steering wheel stalk.

> I'd amend this a bit. I'm happy with digital read-outs, however driver input should in most cases through an analogue knob or switch.

Yeah, I can agree that some digital readouts are okay. It's really difficult to communicate succinctly what I don't like about modern digital car interfaces.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by jread »

davedx wrote: post #521
jread wrote: post #294

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I've been a Tesla owner for 5 years - currently have a P85+ (mine), M3 (wife) and Mercedes GL (family car). Prior to this owned 2 Fords, and 2 Hondas before that. For me personally, I'll take the Tesla any day over any other brand, and my non-techy wife is the same. Hard to explain, but I think it's the overall ownership and driving experience including: - Buying experience is so much more pleasant - set price and no…

Is the P85 a Model S? How on earth do you fit 4 kids and a dog in there? We have 4 kids and a dog too and the rear facing seats made us wait for the X (but it cost too much) and now I’m a Y reservation holder

P85+ is rear motor only, so it has a much larger frunk than the current dual motor MS. Also, I've had it for 5 years with small kids in the beginning. Now kids are bigger so the rear facing seats don't work as well.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by w8vY7ER »

0x100000 wrote: post #399
muzika wrote: post #343

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Similar experience here. No issues with getting parts.

I've had issues getting parts for my model S. Additionally the service experience has generally been a complete shitshow. I deeply regret purchasing it.

That is the fear I had in the back of my mind standing in line to reserve a car, sight unseen. Really sorry you have had such a bad time, hope it will improve for you.
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