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Not products, but platforms.
And in the past you could not be de-protocol-ed
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Messaging apps are cyclical. I remember icq! Slack should become part of Google.. that would help Google widen its user base and perhaps a robust video conferencing system can piggy back on top of it.
Google might already have a messaging app and might still have video chat.
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I never used Slack out of choice either. I've used it because I was forced to due to others' decisions. So now I've lost a bunch of my communications due to others' choices that I had little control over.
...OK, so you chose to communicate on it in order to communicate with "others", presumably due to an employer wanting you all to use Slack. In that situation, your communications are often legally not your own property (though it is arguable, at least in the US). If you're using it personally, the limits on message counts are made quite clear. Exceeding them makes export difficult or impossible without paying. So don…
Are you just trying to be infuriating?
Slack is great. The valuation makes sense and I wish them continued success. All the integrations, and workflows that Slack has enabled for our company make us more productive. I would hate to go back to what came before it. IRC is complete trash and I don't know why anyone would use it in the same sentence as Slack. UX matters. It matters A LOT.
debatable. It is just a chat app after all. Don't get me wrong, it is alright, but I am not sure I would ever call a chatapp "great"
> The valuation makes sense
16billion? To me it doesn't. It is just a chat app. People and businesses can move off it when the next chat app comes along with a new UI
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Yes. Can you please explain or give an example of an MMO where photo sharing is a major mechanic or important MVP feature?
Why does it need to be a major mechanic? It was a feature in Game Neverending and they used that to build Flickr.
Mattermost raises $50 million to advance its open source Slack alternative https://venturebeat.com/2019/06/19/mattermost-raises-50-mill...
Mattermost is a fantastic open source alternative to Slack, nicely integrated with Gitlab. We used Slack on a few projects, but the thought of using a third-party to host corporate development discussion was an absolute no-no in the long run. It's staggering how fast people are to pay for something when there's a cheaper (or free) alternative out there, these days.
> We used Slack on a few projects, but the thought of using a third-party to host corporate development discussion was an absolute no-no in the long run.
> It's staggering how fast people are to pay for something when there's a cheaper (or free) alternative out there, these days.
How can you characterize the price as free? Do engineers at your place of work have so much free time that they can spend it setting this stuff up? What happens when chat goes down? Are you going to invest in becoming experts in running the app? All these are considerations that factor into the total cost of ownership, which oftentimes is far higher than the posted sticker price.
Well deserved. Their product-vision was clear, their execution focused on what mattered... and they didn't need to bend or break laws to succeed. It's easily my favorite unicorn of the past decade.
I don't know about "well deserved". They did it by holding people's data hostage. It's one thing to make your messages unsearchable or otherwise available in the UI until your pay, but holding your data completely hostage until you pay up isn't exactly a noble way to go about things. Even Facebook isn't this obnoxious about getting you a copy of your message history.
Personally, I would just call that normal / decent behaviour. Alone, it doesn't mean you deserve a ridiculous billion dollar evaluation
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I dont think federation has anything to do with it. There were no incentives to bring it to consumers though (in contrast e.g. to email), and by itself it is not easy to use for vast majority of end users.
Federation prevents experimenting, iterating and developing the protocol forward. Yes there are all sort of workarounds like protocol extensions and what have you not, but then you add massive new friction to the system ("No sorry my client doesn't do OpenVideoCall2.0 it only does LibreAVConference0.3"). That type of friction isn't that hard to deal with if you have a bunch of tech savvy people with time on their han…
How so? Nothing prevent versioning a protocol and having experimental servers.
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Federation prevents experimenting, iterating and developing the protocol forward. Yes there are all sort of workarounds like protocol extensions and what have you not, but then you add massive new friction to the system ("No sorry my client doesn't do OpenVideoCall2.0 it only does LibreAVConference0.3"). That type of friction isn't that hard to deal with if you have a bunch of tech savvy people with time on their han…
> Federation prevents experimenting, iterating and developing the protocol forward. How so? Nothing prevent versioning a protocol and having experimental servers.
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The death of the protocol. People no longer release protocols, they release products. The open net, the open web has truly died. I wonder sometimes what we're missing because the conditions that let the web grow out of the internet have disappeared. What next leap are we missing?
Except people still release protocols. Just look at https://matrix.org/ IRC is an early protocol and wasn't designed for extensibility purposes. A new chat protocol just needs to replace it.
- Jami
- Matrix
- Signal Protocol
- XMPP
The better question: why aren't new and existing technology companies embracing these protocols and making them ubiquitous?
Personally I think it's because companies have a vested interest in creating walled gardens. The more users that are forced onto a platform, the more money they make. It's against their business interest to create a product that works with their competitors.
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