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Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by acqq »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #492
mirimir wrote: post #489

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Same here. If it's something I'm particularly interested in, I look for a cache, snapshot or whatever. Edit: Or just read HN comments.

Ah yes, I used Firefox' reader mode, but some news sites now don't even properly support that. I may have to remind myself not to go on those sites anymore as well.

> Firefox' reader mode, but some news sites now don't even properly support that

All sites which are on Google Amp. Google, whenever it can, "helpfully" gives me the amp site and then I have to find and click the link to the actual site to get to the "readable" version.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by davnicwil »

staticassertion wrote: post #289
driverdan wrote: post #277

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Don't threaten, don't wait, do it now.

Not the person you're responding to, but no. Until uMatrix actually breaks for me, I'm not switching to Firefox. Switching is a pain, and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX. I'd switch if they did this because I value the extension very highly, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

I'd recommend giving Brave a try if you haven't already.

It's built on top of Chromium so has the same UI/UX as Chrome, including dev tools. And it does ad blocking out of the box, no need for an extension even.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by nvarsj »

sixothree wrote: post #33
metalliqaz wrote: post #4

Another reason to be glad that Firefox is still standing.

I really just don't understand the obsession with Chrome, especially in hacker communities. Sorry Google, I feel "icky & gross" when I use you.

Chrome is still the best performing browser (even if it's a resource hog).

I tried using Firefox for Linux for about 6 months last year, but had to give up. I got frustrated with the random UI pauses/latency, random crashes, and broken web rendering (not its fault). On the other hand, Chrome just works, and provides a very smooth, low latency experience on Linux. I don't like that I have to give up my privacy for a decent browsing experience on Linux, but that's the state of things.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by B-Con »

> There are other features (which I understand are appreciated by many users) which can't be implemented with the declarativeNetRequest API, for examples, ... the disabling of JavaScript execution through the injection of CSP directives, the removal of outgoing Cookie headers, etc.

This is also incredibly important.

It's my HTML, don't restrict me. Let me mangle the web pages I request.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by jgtrosh »

mbrumlow wrote: post #384
staticassertion wrote: post #289

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Not the person you're responding to, but no. Until uMatrix actually breaks for me, I'm not switching to Firefox. Switching is a pain, and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX. I'd switch if they did this because I value the extension very highly, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

I was in your boat, it is a pain, but... I found that I actually like the UI in firefox after customizing it. For me it may have been easy because I use sway (i3 clone on wayland -- clone is the best, it is actually more / better than i3). But it really ended up looking nice[0]. I found I could customize more things that I could on chrome, including the start page. In any case, if you don't switch, I urge you to give…

I actually don't switch to Firefox because I'm on i3. I fell in love with surf-like browsing, and am able to somewhat get the same result with chrome in --app mode. There is however no way (to my knowledge) to get tab-less full-window browsing in Firefox.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by Tsubasachan »

happybuy wrote: post #327
acrispino wrote: post #308

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How do you respond to the comment (#23) from the author of uBlock Origin & uMatrix describing the filtering capabilities that will be lost under the proposed declarativeNetRequest API?

Many similar concerns were raised when the Safari API changed, in this case some of the specific limitations and concerns re the declarativeNetRequest approach may be valid – if so, I'd hope that the Chromium team take them on board and improve. I think the concern re the 30,000 rule limit is misguided. Many of these adblock rule lists are extremely inefficient and should probably be pruned to have less rules. Extrem…

215,169 network filters ＋ 77,133 cosmetic filters

"30000 rules is enough for everybody"

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by B-Con »

codeflo wrote: post #542
bad_user wrote: post #514

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The uBlock maintainer specifically says that uBlock Origin and uMatrix use a different matching algorithm than the declarativeNetRequest. The title isn't at all hyperbolic. You don't deprecate such important functionality without laying out a full plan for replacement. Unless there is no such plan and in reality you want to screw uBlock Origin, which I might say is the most aggressive ad blocker available, and isn't…

Oh, the Google fanboys. “Didn’t you read the article? This is purely for privacy reasons.” Nevermind that this makes it harder to actually keep your privacy. Nevermind that this is exactly what people warned would happen in a browser monoculture controlled by an ad company. That’s just a coincidence. It must be, because Google are the good guys, am I right?

Supporting privacy would allow browsers to block requests, full stop. There's no way to spin this specific action as pro-privacy.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by tgragnato »

tlavoie wrote: post #552
DanielRibeiro wrote: post #366

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I really like the point the uBlock maintainer's make: "Extensions act on behalf of users, they add capabilities to a user agent , and deprecating the blocking ability of the webRequest API will essentially decrease the level of user agency in Chromium, to the benefit of web sites which obviously would be happy to have the last word in what resources their pages can fetch/execute/render."

Is it perhaps time to return to using external tools such as Privoxy, Pi-Hole and the like? Privoxy appears to still be around, and (I think) was originally at the forefront of user-managed web controls. Once the browser reaches its natural Borg-self, transparent user-level tools will be all that provide a semblance of control. Well that, and Firefox.

AFAIK Privoxy isn't actively maintained.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by londons_explore »

feanaro wrote: post #560

Why would Google be given any benefit of a doubt in the case of ad/resource blocking? They are a behemoth ad-based corporation that is becoming a monopoly in many areas of computing. In yet more areas, they are becoming an effective monopoly through size: they may not be the only company offering a type of service, but they are the only one able to offer it at scale and/or with a certain level of sophistication, give…

I think you overestimate the level of strategy here.

This is simply an engineer spotting a performance bottleneck in Chrome and posting a design to resolve it.

There is zero chance that Google's top brass told the engineer to deliberately cripple ublock.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Post by ImaCake »

_ks3e wrote: post #442
dylan604 wrote: post #403

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> and I don't like Firefox's UI/UX Maybe I'm not as critical about the UI, but I have both browsers open at the same time so I took a second to compare them. Both browsers have a row of tabs. Below that is a second row. The left most set of buttons is navigation (back, forward, refresh, etc), then the address bar, then on the very right of the row is a set of buttons for extensions, settings, etc. The remaining porti…

Firefox doesn't deal with touchscreen and touchpad gestures very well. Take, for instance, the two-finger pinch-zoom-in gesture. Chrom(ium), Opera, Edge, Safari etc. all smoothly and instantaneously magnify the area where the mouse is. Firefox, on the other hand, reflows the entire page with each zoom (as the other browsers do when you do a ctrl +/- zoom), which is inconsistent with how we're used to interacting with…

I am a firefox user but will switch to chrome when using google maps. Simply because using maps on firefox on my windows tablet sucks, but its a breeze in chrome.

Otherwise I completely avoid chrome because of the privacy issues, and because firefox has 'containers' and is a little snappier.

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