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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by TheForumTroll »

teddyuk wrote: post #564
headmelted wrote: post #310

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

I'd like to see microsoft/mozilla/google collaborate on "THE" browser engine then all this compatibility bs goes away - they can all ship their own cruft and advertising but with a single rendering engine we can forget about multiple browsers forever

So IE 6.2

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pjmlp »

plq wrote: post #530
cletus wrote: post #278

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Microsoft only releases it on one OS. so if you happen to use a Mac or Linux you need another browser. Chrome and Firefox are the only viable options. Also Microsoft are victims of their own legacy, namely what they did with Internet Explorer. Changing the box model, not adopting standards, not fixing bugs, causing no end of headaches for people having to support IE and so on. Trust needs to be earned. Apple had the…

> My favorite is prompting me to restart to install an update when I open it. It's the best they can do. Windows carries a lot of baggage and bad decisions around its OS design. One of them is that when a file has an exclusive lock (eg an .exe file that's running) it can't be deleted. NTFS and Windows Kernel don't implement reference counting like a proper OS. So Firefox (or any software package with in-place self-up…

Today I learned that VMS wasn't a proper OS, because proper OS let processes blindly overwrite files from others.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ThaJay »

WA wrote: post #510
headmelted wrote: post #310

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

Not sure about that, because after all, most users use their smartphones and iOS has quite a big market share. So there's at least Chromium and Webkit. Web devs simply won't get away with testing only in Chrome that easily.

12% is not a very big market share compared to Android https://www.statista.com/statistics/266136/global-market-sha...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by teknologist »

wlll wrote: post #291
gdwatson wrote: post #242

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"... and Firefox is just not cutting it." What are your objections to modern Firefox? Most of the criticism I've heard is that it's become too much like Chrome. I'm quite happy with it personally.

As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

You could have a look at Brave, a commercially-supported degoogled chromium.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pjmlp »

vatueil wrote: post #194
Karunamon wrote: post #172

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The difference being now that we're in no danger of IE6-ification. If Google annoys enough people, people can take Webkit and do whatever they want. It happened to Microsoft, arguably to Mozilla, it can happen to Google. So long as the players are well behaved, having a single dominant browser is beneficial. How much time, energy, productivity, and money has been lost on cross-browser (in)compatibility wrangling?

> If Google annoys enough people, people can take Webkit and do whatever they want. Not sure if that should have been Blink, or if you're making a subtle point about how Blink was forked from WebKit (which was in turn forked from KHTML). Personally, while I can see why some may react to this news with concern about a monoculture, I find it hard to feel sorry about the end of the last significant closed source browser…

It also demonstrates that forks are irrelevant and no one cares about them unless they come from major players with enough money and political power to push them.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by emeraldd »

A big reason Inuse chrome is that it is literally everywhere I need it to be: Mac, Linux, Windows, IOs, and Android. Edge is only on one of those and the only time I interact with a Windows machine is when my wife needs help fixing/recovering from something majorly broken on her computer. I haven't used a windows machine in a professional setting in ... 8 or 9 years at a minimum. Purely anecdotal, but my experience leads me to believe that, even though users on alternative platforms may be smaller in number, they tend to be the people building things for everyone else to use. Hence, Edge is stuck in a walled garden of Microsoft's own making and they aren't putting in the effort to make it work with the stuff that runs everywhere else.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by reitanqild »

cm2187 wrote: post #455
reitanqild wrote: post #444

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> Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. Disagree strongly. Reasons: - Google has been extremely pushy with Chrome, including lying (IMO) about it on their front page, a place where no other ads have been shown ever (IIRC). - Their own products often don't work in other browsers. Might be an honest mistake but personally I really don't bu…

It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do. And I haven't heard anyone saying "I'd rather use Edge or IE but site xxx only works on Chrome".

> It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do.

Not entirely true. Chrome as been bundled with other popular software for significant time.

Also saying someone has to go out of their way to install it when it is advertised on the front of Google.com isn't my definition of "out of their way".

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by thrower123 »

saagarjha wrote: post #47
thrower123 wrote: post #32

Broken shit should die. And Edge was definitely broke. Safari is next, with 5% market. Chrome is the clear winner in the end.

Edge and Safari are not broken.

The reality is that whatever google implements is the standard. If you don't comply you are an also-ran

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by criddell »

swalladge wrote: post #305
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

> monoculture _is_ bad

From a security point of view, I think that's true. What are other problems?

I think everybody using the same rendering engine would be a net positive.

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