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Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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I mean, they get such bad press for the way they treat their workers it only seems fair to laud them for this. Good move. They have more to do though. I've went through a few articles on this but I didn't see any of them mention what Amazon's minimum actual pay was before this, just the federal minimum wage. Anybody know?

> they get such bad press for the way they treat their workers it only seems fair to laud them for this. That's because they treat their workers terrible. They're a huge company with a lot of profit and how people at the bottom of the chain are treated is maddening. They're seen as an example of how not to treat workers (and for good reason). They definitely should not be lauded for this: They did some calculations a…

There's no winning, is there?

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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Corporations do not deserve praise for doing the right thing. They are not people, with feelings, who respond to emotional stimuli in the form of positive reinforcement. They are businesses that respond to the market (indeed, their legal duty is to maximize profits). In markets, negative pressure works. Asking nicely does not.

Nonsense--there is no "legal duty to maximize profits". That concept isn't really meaningful: maximize over what term? In fact Amazon is probably the number one counter-example to that idea, they've never prioritized profits and have plowed everything they can back into infrastructure. There's also no "legal duty to pay employees as little as possible", nor "legal duty to fight unionization" nor a hundred other thing…

> there is no "legal duty to maximize profits".

For publicly traded companies, there is: https://www.litigationandtrial.com/2010/09/articles/series/s...

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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>In addition, the company also pledges its public policy team will lobby for an increase to the federal minimum wage from $7.25 — it doesn’t identify a specific wage that it’s targeting, but instead says, “We believe $7.25 is too low. We would look to Congress to decide the parameters of a new, higher federal minimum wage.” I'm going to take a wild guess and assume it will be $15/hour. That way they'll get to look pr…

Wow, does the top comment always have to be cynical? This is exactly what everyone wanted Amazon to do. Maybe it's time to suck it up and give praise where praise is due? There are also benefits to paying more salary than your competitors (no hiring shortages, best employees, low turnover, etc), so I'm not going to blindly accept that it's now in Amazon's interest to drag the rest of the industry along with them. But…

Amazon has been facing extreme pressure to do this (strikes, political action), they did the right thing finally, but some cynicism is warranted. We can praise AND criticize — there's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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post #17

>In addition, the company also pledges its public policy team will lobby for an increase to the federal minimum wage from $7.25 — it doesn’t identify a specific wage that it’s targeting, but instead says, “We believe $7.25 is too low. We would look to Congress to decide the parameters of a new, higher federal minimum wage.” I'm going to take a wild guess and assume it will be $15/hour. That way they'll get to look pr…

You seem to be saying that you think Amazon's lobbyists will advocate for Congress picking $15, though the article quoted them as saying they'd defer to Congress.

Did you not get the same thing out of Amazon's words, or are you saying that they're not telling the truth and will push for $15 despite saying otherwise?

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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Maybe I've got no sense of humour, but I think that's unprofessional and something like bullying, rather than funny. Legislation should surely not target one individual by name like that?

I think turning your employees into welfare-dependent wage-slaves is far worse than unprofessional or bullying, but I guess that's just me and most decent people. CEOs of large public companies have to take public heat, by name, quite often. It's a huge part of their job; otherwise they'd be COOs.

> but I guess that's just me and most decent people

Please keep this sort of flamewar trope off HN. If you can't post civilly, please don't post.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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I was thinking more along the lines of a local mom and pop drive thru where people get their daily 6 pack and lottery ticket than a McDonalds.

Then mom and pop will need to work their store, instead of underpaying employees.

Does this not mean those employees are out of work? Benefit some lucky workers with increased wages, while driving others out of work entirely?

We're talking about doubling the national minimum wage. That's a hefty increase, especially for areas where cost of living is quite a bit different than say, California.

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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> their legal duty is to maximize profits I am not nit-picking, asking in good faith: is that enacted into a law ? Or is that part of a contract between shareholders and the board of executives ? I have heard about that walmart competitor run like a family business and that gives every employees a voice (a cooperative ?).

there is such a thing as “fedicuary duty” [1] which could be sometimes interpreted as “maximize profits” i suppose... according to this ny times article [2] it states: `There is a common belief that corporate directors have a legal duty to maximize corporate profits and “shareholder value” — even if this means skirting ethical rules, damaging the environment or harming employees. But this belief is utterly false. To…

The hyperbole isn't helping the case.

It is true that companies are not required to "pursue profit at the expense of everything else".

But it is also true that companies are held to legal standards that "include acting to promote the value of the corporation for the benefit of its stockholders" (Ebay v Newmark). This was famously weaponized against Craigslist several years ago, who were successfully sued over their refusal to let shareholders change corporate culture.

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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Wow, does the top comment always have to be cynical? This is exactly what everyone wanted Amazon to do. Maybe it's time to suck it up and give praise where praise is due? There are also benefits to paying more salary than your competitors (no hiring shortages, best employees, low turnover, etc), so I'm not going to blindly accept that it's now in Amazon's interest to drag the rest of the industry along with them. But…

> Wow, does the top comment always have to be cynical? Middlebrow dismissals are a hacker news staple. http://www.byrnehobart.com/blog/why-are-middlebrow-dismissal...

Do oblique references to middlebrow dismissal count as middlebrow dismissal?

Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees

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post #47

Opponents of the minimum wage argue that it reduces employment by creating an artificial floor on wages, that jobs are lost because employers can't afford to pay the minimum. But if you can't pay the minimum, then you didn't really have a job to offer in the first place! By extension of this logic, employers could argue that they are losing jobs because they can only afford to pay someone who will work 12 hours a day…

> If you can't pay a basic living wage, for fair hours, in safe conditions, with necessary medical benefits, then you don't have a job to offer.

That is so incredibly incorrect.

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