The Mac Pro Lives • Hacker News Board

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by rocho » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:02 PM UTC

hbbio wrote: post #513

Keyframe wrote: post #238

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From my perspective: If MacOS had: up-to-date OpenGL support, Nvidia made drivers that supported new cards for it, was not locked into Mac hardware - that would be tremendous. On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. If Linux, any desktop variant (Fedora my poison), had Adobe's support for their DCC apps an…

For Linux, how about supporting HiDPI right. I had a XPS 13 (one of the best laptops around) and it was unusable because of this: - Most apps would look tiny; Others gigantic and pixelized (LibreOffice... looking at you) and plain unusable; - External monitors have to be at the same DPI... Also, the lack of proper graphic software like Keynote, Sketch, Pixelmator is the other reason I have to stick to macOS.

It takes a while and it's really boring, but you can configure the scaling for at least the major graphical toolkits (Qt 4,5 whatever and GTK 2,3). Java apps are yet another separate thing to configure.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by e12e » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:04 PM UTC

I admit I only skimmed this (my only wish for Apple is for them to release a set of build tools for Linux that allows building ios apps, and (more importantly, really) support the installation and purchase of OS X for running on non-apple hardware, and in VMs -- I don't think either of those will happen) -- however -- I caught this:

> We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do.

That's silly. They could take their previous generation Mac Pro chassis, stuff it with a dual Xeon board, 128gigs of RAM, a pair of SSDs and a pair of Nvidia 1080s - and after some nominal quality testing/driver tweaking sell it at their regular ridiculous mark-up.

Those old cases are so convenient, I've considered buying a used one just for a regular pc workstation build. Easy to get to the internals, nice airflow. Roomy. Looks perfectly fine:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-MAC-PRO-2008-3-1-3-2GHZ-8-CORE...

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:10 PM UTC

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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by tchalla » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:11 PM UTC

coryfklein wrote: post #424

georgespencer wrote: post #351

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Not sure what specifically you're talking about here, but if you wanna line up two windows side-by-side you can long click on the green "full screen" traffic light button in the top left of an app's window (e.g. Word), and choose which half of the screen you want it to maximise in. Then do the same for another running app in the other half and it'll split the screen between two apps at full size.

Okay, I just long clicked (5 seconds) on the green button and all it did is maximize the window. Tried long click + drag, didn't work. What am I missing?

Here's the relevant Apple Support article

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204948

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ShirsenduK » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:14 PM UTC

They have world's top engineers, designers and dollars! And they use reporters send out an apology. Can't even do it directly to its users/fans. Reading the content it feels like a damage control PR.

Apple has lost its way. Their support has become horrible if not arrogant. Their updates keep bricking devices more often than not. Their hardware fails more than it used to.

If they thought the Mac Pro was a mistake, how is the MacBook Pro a success?

Can't innovate anymore, my arse, you bet you can't!

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by valuearb » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:15 PM UTC

JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #465

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

Whoa. OS X is so lacking and a mess to use that I avoid it at all costs.

You were using it wrong.

I spend much of my OS X time in terminal.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by vermooten » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

issa wrote: post #318

Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

Moom is pretty good, beats the crap out of Windows.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by michel-slm » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

Once Flatpak becomes more commonplace, the problem of distributing third-party software is hopefully solved on Linux distros.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Ar-Curunir » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

jlgaddis wrote: post #5

For me -- and, I suspect, many others -- this is too little too late. Just a few months ago, I spent somewhere around $4500 (all-in) putting together a new workstation. It runs Linux instead of OS X and this has led to me using my (4-year-old) ThinkPad more than my (18-month-old) MacBook Pro (when I'm "on the go"). I actually plan on selling the MBP; I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm sure this is great news…

Just FYI, I run Linux mostly fine on my Macbook Pro.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by valuearb » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:18 PM UTC

dr_ick wrote: post #425

SonicSoul wrote: post #308

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I love OSX but never understood why people pay so much for those apple displays. we use them at work and they suuuuuck. super heavy, can't adjust height, can't put it in portrait mode which is .. I don't know useful 40% of the time, glares like a mofo, and cost 2x-3x similar quality displays from not Apple. Is the look of them that desirable? i finally switched for same reso Dell units on my desk and really happy abo…

People buy those Apple monitors because they are guaranteed to work to with Apple computers. At least that is the reasoning. They can complain to their local Apple Store to make it work. Most end users have no clue, and they don't enjoy researching, so they don't know they could get something better for less money.

Most users don't realize how good Apple monitors are, and how much better they make your work day.

I just don't understand scrimping on something you will spend all day staring at. Getting something "almost as good" for half the price is a terrible deal.