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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by jhwhite »

strictnein wrote: post #68
jhwhite wrote: post #21

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MS is definitely taking the steps in the hardware department that Apple has been lagging behind on. But I still feel Windows itself is not a productive OS. I'm big on keyboard shortcuts but MS is very much mouse based. Being required to use my pinky to try and hit CTRL instead of my thumb to hit COMMAND to do simple things like copy and paste is HUGE to me. I didn't use a Windows machine for 3 years and when I did ne…

I use Apple keyboards with windows based products. The issue isn't that the MS shortcuts for things are any better or worse, it's just that you're not used to hitting CTRL. As a developer, my pinky basically rests on the CTRL by default when I'm on a windows system. When I'm on a Mac my thumb rests on the Command key.

I have short stubby fingers and to get my pinky to always rest on the CTRL key is really uncomfortable. :(

I've tried it.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by jhwhite »

vvanders wrote: post #30
jhwhite wrote: post #21

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MS is definitely taking the steps in the hardware department that Apple has been lagging behind on. But I still feel Windows itself is not a productive OS. I'm big on keyboard shortcuts but MS is very much mouse based. Being required to use my pinky to try and hit CTRL instead of my thumb to hit COMMAND to do simple things like copy and paste is HUGE to me. I didn't use a Windows machine for 3 years and when I did ne…

Funny, I feel the same way about OSX. Every time I jump over to a macbook I reach for Win + Arrow keys to move windows around. I rarely use the mouse on windows, I think it's just a matter of familiarization on both OSes.

I do love the ability to use Win + arrow key to move windows around on Windows!

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by animal531 »

revelation wrote: post #313
protomyth wrote: post #48

The video at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-stud... is a bit more informative and shows the Surface Dial in action. I looks like the graphics from an old Blackberry this is the future video[1]. Very cool, since Microsoft's version makes sense and Blackberry's was confusing. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KLm4SErdQ

That dial is bizarre. I have two hands, why would I replace one amazing hand with a heavy, large screen obscuring piece of machined aluminum to do something that my hand could already do?

I wasn't sold on it with the colour changing demos, that seemed a gimmick at best. The haptic feedback basically just makes it an on-screen mouse which is within easy reach, which is cool, you don't have to search for e.g. ctrl+z or a button off to the side to undo.

But what really got my attention was the ruler. That opens up a natural way of drawing lines which just work, as compared to either using an actual ruler on your tablet (which hopefully works), or selecting a line tool and guesstimating the line you want (which you then adjust afterwards) etc.

I'm looking forward to see what other uses for it they can come up with.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by KirinDave »

barkingcat wrote: post #564
KirinDave wrote: post #551

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... But that's precisely what a hybrid drive can be, except with more work to make it so the user doesn't have to juggle things by hand... I am no longer a professional (as in, primary income) photographer, but I was and trying to keep all my work on the "right" drive was about as fun as weddings. Btw sorry I said 2.5gb but that was mobile correcting 2.5in.

And what I'm trying to say is that SSD's are so cheap now that for the lower spec (1TB) of the surface studio, you no longer need to juggle space in order to far exceed the performance of a hybrid drive, even with a last gen SSD. SSD of any modern kind >> hybrid drive in performance. I'm not arguing for abstract systems, but for that specific build that Microsoft has put together - in that form factor, a hybrid drive…

I don't get how you're privy to what components MS has available. I think you assume ANYTHING in that machine is a stock PC part off the shelf.

It's not. It's really not. There is no damn room.

It's the same with the MBA, it's the same with the Surface 4 and Surface. Hell, it's the same with every all-in-one now.

I'm trying to take you seriously here but you keep repeating this line that makes it sound like you have some deep and clever insight into a machine the press has barely touched, let alone teardown specialists. You're mad because it's not a full SSD on principle but you have no idea what the hot set size of the hybrid is. You've got a bone to pick with performance but Surface devices have always been forced to use custom configurations of hardware (e.g., every Surface Book has an unusual configuration of their video card that gives substantially better performance).

I think you're arguing based on theoretical specs and without knowing the domain. Unless you're an ex-Surface engineer with special insight, I don't see why anyone here should trust you about this given how you insist this is all stock parts and it's trivially verifiable that that's not the case.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by [deleted] »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #413
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172

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Arguably true. But the real problem is simpler: consumers don't trust MS. You've inflicted too many false starts, bad products, update nightmares, u-turns, and unplanned obsolescences on the consumer market. MS as a consumer brand has mostly negative/indifferent associations. You could build the best product in the world, but unless you can sell it in reasonable quantities and prove you're committed to supporting con…

> consumers don't trust MS. Well, Microsoft is actively chasing consumers away. Proof: reneging on OneDrive offer to Lumia phone buyers, current lineup of two phones nearing end of production. They want to be Oracle in place of ORCL, milking those big fat enterprise cows, and the stock market is nodding approvingly. Good luck, godspeed, and thanks for the nice phones. Didn't last long, but was OK while it did. Design…

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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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thirdsun wrote: post #517
pjmlp wrote: post #100

Love it. It even has a version of their ergonomic keyboards, something that I cannot really understand with Apple, how can one even manage to program in such flat keyboards. Apple, one of the first companies to introduce ergonomic keyboards to the world.

Even worse is that horrible Magic Mouse - it's an ergonomic nightmare. Of course there a good alternatives from other brands but none seems to feature a good touch surface. I hate scrolling in steps like it's common with non-Apple mice. So, it's either good ergonomics or touch scrolling in any direction.

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