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Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by lips »

Bud wrote: post #393
marincounty wrote: post #317

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I have a feeling you have new Apple products. I have a three year old MacBook, and I believe, a four year old Ipad2. I want to believe it was just the iPad and too much JavaScript, but my laptop is not what I expect from a three year laptop. That wheel is spinning way too much. Chrome brings it to unusuable, but figured it was my fault. I only have 4 gigs. Actually, I though 4 gigs would be enough? I do not believe i…

Clear Chrome's cache every two weeks, and restart Chrome every night. There. Done.

YMMV, but I had to manually delete Chrome cache files. Clearing from prefs took a long time, but the files remained over machine restarts.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by lumpybacon »

keithpeter wrote: post #545
lumpybacon wrote: post #488

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I suppose every operating system is going to have little problems like that, and if that's all there is, I can manage. It's just that I really liked OS X back in the Leopard and Snow Leopard days. I could almost describe it as a "magical" experience using them, but I'm worried that that magic's gone in these latest versions, as all this recent complaining seems to indicate. Can you perhaps tell me how newer versions…

What development tools do require access to? A short list of the 'little things that add up' (your post up the tree) with your current set up may be of interest as well as people could then comment on the likelihood of those or similar.

Oh, nothing in particular, I guess. I dabble a lot--in C++, Haskell, Ruby, Java, etc. I really liked using package managers on Linux. I remember using Homebrew on OS X. Is that still around?

As for the little things that add up, let's see:

- Much of it's hardware-related, and it might just be due to my poor PC-building skills. For example, my case has a fan that buzzes intermittently, and the ports in back aren't perfectly aligned.

- Windows isn't UNIX-based. I'm aware of things like Cygwin that emulate a UNIX environment, but it feels tacked on. Also, Windows 10 is nice, but it's kind of ugly, among other things.

- On Linux, X has given me a lot of trouble, and though Wayland looks nice, it seems like it'll be a while before it's widely adopted and fully supported. I had a problem with GNOME 3 where it took about a minute before it showed the desktop after logging in, for example. Audio was a pain to deal with, it had Wi-fi connection issues, etc. Also, Linux lacks support for a lot of big applications that I use or intend to use (Photoshop, DAWs, etc.).

- Non-English language input is poor in both operating systems (could just be the language I used though). If I recall correctly, OS X had pretty nice language input support, and the option-characters (e.g. Option + E for an acute accent) were really nice and intuitive.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by lips »

This decade, TL;DR: As Apple becomes the first computer maker to transition into a luxury goods company, they realize that the smoke and mirrors sufficient for keeping the pseudo-proles happy in other sectors aren't sufficient. Corinthian leather doesn't break your wi-fi.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by collyw »

jjude wrote: post #511
Ezhik wrote: post #171

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I run OS X on a ThinkPad T420, and this unholy combo is an experience I am honestly enjoying a lot. I like having a 9 cell battery, I like having >1TB of storage, the ThinkPad keyboard and TrackPoint, and I like being able to take the thing apart. At the same time, I also like OS X. I get UNIX underlyings, yet can continue to use software like Photoshop. And there's just a big bunch of subjective things that IMO OS X…

I thought the licence terms disallowed running OSX running on anything other than Mac. Of course, I always clicked 'Agree' without reading the licence terms. I have been thinking of something opposite: run ubuntu on Mac.

Single button trackpads are a pain in the arse, if you like middle click to paste.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by humbleMouse »

largote wrote: post #195
Skunkleton wrote: post #188

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> It was there because you need apps to bootstrap a platform and attract enough users to attract developers. But you can't really expect a consumer electronics company to have the best application for a given niche once the niche has been identified and attracted companies that really want to make it their bread-and-butter. I have a hard time with this. Apple products tend to lock you into apple software. If you want…

Clicking on an address defaults to fucking Apple Maps... Let me say that again: Apple Maps ...

Apple Maps performs much worse for me on tmobile network in minneapolis. It takes me to wrong locations, locks up frequently, etc. I only use google maps now - much more stable and always takes me to the right place.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by itchyouch »

alexchantavy wrote: post #506
jjoonathan wrote: post #306

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> anyone who used the whole integrated Apple software suite and never looked elsewhere has been missing out on some seriously nice features this whole time Ditto for anyone not using the Apple ecosystem. Better tested drivers installed by default, no OS license hassles, no issues created by malfunctioning (or maliciously functioning) antivirus, top download sites weren't infested with malware (no hunt for the real DL…

>truly awesome platform-specific-at-first apps (subethaedit, quicksilver, textmate, coda), I've had the same thought in my head for a long time now but haven't been able to put it the way you did; completely agree. There was also a time when OSX supported things like .psd previews, built-in *.iso mounting, and unzipping capabilities right out of the box when Win XP didn't. This is part of what initially got me to bec…

I recently got 2 boxes running Windows 10 after exclusively using Macs for a decade or so. One is an Alienware Alpha and has been a pleasure to use. Everything kind of "just worked" out of the box and didn't come with the typical bloatware one gets with a mass-consumer grade computer. Daily usability of the box was great as well.

With this positive experience in hand, I decided to build my own rig and many of the annoying memories of why I switched to Macs in the first place came back. Windows 7 on the Skylake box was a pain due to driver support. Windows 10 installed without much hassle, but there was a minor engineering effort tweaking the bios fan settings to be silent, installing low-noise fan adapters, collecting and installing drivers for the new chipset. Obviously, this comes with the territory of building a computer, but it was a small reminder of things dealt with.

Gotta say though, Ninite does make the initial installation of software a breeze.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by Swizec »

collyw wrote: post #570
Swizec wrote: post #138

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Is it? As a software engineer, I leverage those $60/month into $8000+/month. I think that's more than worth it. Why the hell haven't I bought a backup machine yet just in case this one breaks?

And you couldn't possibly do that on a Linux / Windows laptop?

It's irrelevant. A top of the line laptop that's reliable costs about $3k regardless of manufacturer. At least last time I checked.

And no, not on Windows because in my experience it's the most terrible system for developers. Might've improved in the last 15 years.

And no, not on linux. In my experience it requires constant tinkering with the system. According to my friends still on linux, this hasn't changed in the last 3 years.

So yeah, I guess only mac is left. Which often still requires too much tinkering, but feels like less than linux. And I honestly haven't used windows in earnest in 15 years so hard to say.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by mercury_craze »

ino wrote: post #544
mercury_craze wrote: post #518

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Also try clicking a mailto link. I'm sure that about once a day I see the dialog asking me to add an account into the default mail app. Basic integrations between MS Office apps also seem to be missing, I'll be damned if I can find the menu to send a copy of the document I'm working on in Word to a contact in outlook.

Mailto links open chrome with a gmail tab for me.

I just successfully changed it, but it was a janky experience. Until I added an account to the mail app, the preference used to change the default email reader remained greyed out because I was being prompted to add an email account. Only once I added a fake account did the preference option become available and let me change the default mailto handler. Removing the fake email account caused the preference to become greyed out (but it retained Outlook as the default).

Here's another example: Try and change the right click -> search with google menu option to 1) not open in Safari and 2) search using another search engine.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by ctdonath »

rayiner wrote: post #470
ctdonath wrote: post #452

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I've concluded that spec sheets in advertising are at best excuses, and at worst lies. Most users don't care what the exact pixel count is, they just want enough pixels that everything looks great. They don't care exactly how much RAM or storage there is, so long as they don't run out of it (either "brick wall effect" or discernible slowdowns). They don't care exactly how fast the processor is, so long as it's percei…

My point wasn't that a non-technical person would appreciate the specs. It's that the screen is so bad that it makes a non-technical person think it's a cheap-o laptop instead of one that costs almost $2,000.

And my point is that the lousy screen is sold as satisfactory because the customer is told & convinced that the specifications say it's satisfactory.

Re: Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software

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Post by koide »

piyush_soni wrote: post #495
pswenson wrote: post #425

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what? jetbrains.com (intellij, appcode, pycharm,webstorm, rubymine etc) sublime text atom vim emacs eclipse

Not even close to Visual Studio on Windows, that's the point (I know I'm repeating, but it's sad that I'm having to do that).

Intellij is fairly close as an IDE to Visual Studio on Windows. It's sad you are not seeing it.

And that without mentioning ReSharper which enhances VS quite a bit.

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