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Re: Hyperloop

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The Tokaido shinkansen serves commuters in a very dense area. Also, Tokyo to Nagoya will run you a hundred bucks last time I rode. Why would anyone want to live in LA and commute to SF, or vice versa? Even if ticket prices are low, property prices on both sides are very high. It would make much more sense to build a hyperloop to nowhere economically, and turn that area into a bedroom community.

People do commute on the Tokaido shinkansen, but that is not the majority of its ridership. The numbers I've seen give about 10% of Tokaido shinkansen ridership as being due to commuter passes (and anybody who doesn't use a pass for that would be completely insane), measured by "trips"; if measuring by "passenger-km", of course, the proportion due to commuters is much much lower, about 2%, because commuters tend to t…

I still don't think SF/LA are as interconnected economically as Tokyo/Osaka/Nagoya are. You have a lot of manufacturing in that area of Japan, while the big population areas of California are much more separated and specialized. One could live their entire life and career in the Bay Area without any reason to ever visit LA, and the other way around.

Re: Hyperloop

#562

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>He's also traditionally been an opponent of government waste. he is in bed with gov employees unions (the unions are primary driving force behind 200-300K/year gov employees pensions ( http://www.mercurynews.com/salaries/pensions ) with retirement age of 55, CA is something like $200B deep in that hole), and especially with prison guard union - of course huge prison population resulting from "toughness on crime" may…

> the unions are primary driving force behind 200-300K/year gov employees pensions 200-300K/year (and higher) pensions are pretty much entirely executives who weren't union members, it has nothing to do with unions. e.g., the #1 highest: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/27/opinion/la-oe-cole-v...

>executives who weren't union members, it has nothing to do with unions.

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=24566

Re: Hyperloop

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Not alongside. On top of. And all of it needs to be approved for safety in earthquakes. If you're traveling at 600 mph, you do not want to have that tunnel unexpectedly move even a foot sideways during an earthquake.

Not to be nitpicky but if you haven't driven the I-5 theres substantial room between each direction of the freeway so I don't think it will actually be above traffic if that's your concern.

At 700+ MPH you'll need more than 100' of freeway median to contain potential incident fallout.

Re: Hyperloop

#564

Sorry, but I do not believe this will be cheaper than conventional rail. This is essentially a vacuum tunnel. Ok it is not a perfect vacuum but it is still supposed to keep 1/1000th of the earth's pressure.* Keeping such a vacuum over several hundred miles of metal tubing would be very very expensive. This may work but it will be several times more expensive than the HSR system. * Oh and by the way, it is completely…

Would it really be expensive? 1 mbar is a low grade vacuum. You can achieve that with mere rotary vane pumps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_vane_pump

Re: Hyperloop

#565
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Jerry Brown's political career is coming to an end, so there are no long term political consequences for him. He's also traditionally been an opponent of government waste. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that he would choose an unproven but promising technology over our existing useless high speed rail project. The assembly is another matter. If you think hyperloop is interesting, write and call your state…

>He's also traditionally been an opponent of government waste. he is in bed with gov employees unions (the unions are primary driving force behind 200-300K/year gov employees pensions ( http://www.mercurynews.com/salaries/pensions ) with retirement age of 55, CA is something like $200B deep in that hole), and especially with prison guard union - of course huge prison population resulting from "toughness on crime" may…

sorry... high speed rail to nowhere?

Re: Hyperloop

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post #186

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Not for the first 30 minutes - which in this case is the entire trip.

I think one advantage of air travel is it's distracting. Busy flight attendants, announcements from pilots, plane moving to the runway, taking off... so there's less reason to concentrate on the lack of space while stuck in the seat.

In this case it looks like you could have a great view.

Re: Hyperloop

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I wouldn't be so fast to make that declaration. Elon Musk, Tesla, and SpaceX are pretty influential players right now, and I don't think anyone reading this white paper are anything less than wide eyed at the possibility that the future of travel is written right here and we could build it, for cheaper than the current slow expensive system. Influential people and money people and politicians are all going to read th…

I hope you're right, but in reality most people haven't even heard of Elon Musk. I've had to explain to many highly educated people what he has done, what SpaceX is, what Tesla is etc. While he's been rather successful so far, he's not in the clear when it comes to either of his companies right now, he's not exactly at the Gates level of success yet. I'm rooting for him though, he has the potential to be one of the m…

Musk is not financially Gates but he's already had a greater impact. PayPal, Telsa, SpaceX, and even that Solar company could easily be more important than creating the most successful PC operating system. The PC boom would have happened without Gates but Musk is pioneering entirely new business categories.

Re: Hyperloop

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post #343

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That cost is the infrastructure cost, amortized over a long time, not counting R&D, maintenance, marketing, ticketing, and various personnel costs, assuming it's near capacity. Translation, it's going to cost more than $20.

Even if it costs $100 for one way, it's still cheaper than plane, and you save an hour on travel time.

Plus the 2 hours spent at the airport in security, waiting, and getting baggage at the end.

Re: Hyperloop

#569

This is very serious first proposal. As a professional mechanical engineer I have worked on high quality steel tubes (nuclear submarines) before. The immediate thing that sticks out to me in this proposal are the tight mechanical tolerances that have to be maintained. Talking about tens of thousandths of an inch tolerances on a 10' diameter tube is not to be dismissed lightly. That is going to be tough to maintain -…

Offtopic, but please consider writing some blog posts or articles about your experiences working on nuclear submarines. That just sounds so cool, and while the work is probably dull, I'd nonetheless be fascinated to read some detailed stories.

Unfortunately I walk a very fine line about what is sensitive and what is not. I really couldn't go any deeper than what I posted here.

Re: Hyperloop

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post #327

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IIRC, the choice was between no trains and a train. I think a lot of people voted for it so they had a cheaper alternative than planes and a less time/effort intensive alternative than driving.

Also because fuck the TSA.

Too late: http://www.seattlepi.com/technology/businessinsider/article/...

> If you don't want to be searched at the train station, you have the freedom to not ride the train.

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