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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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> ...drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down Anthropic et al recently proposed a supranational AI governing body designed to slow everyone down (euphemistically calling it "AI pacing"). Are the Pacer signatories losing?

The governing body is only the western allies. USA + AUS + EU. Or anyone else that may sign a deeply disturbing and restrictive treaty. It's to make sure that the global majority does not make a better model or have access to the same hardware. As is currently the case with embargoes on EUV machines going to China, etc. Models are not a moat, and I think OpenAI/Anthropic know this. They know that their IPO is being w…

I think you’re spot on here. OpenAI and Anthropic are burning cash at a phenomenal rate (clearly unsustainable in the long run), but it isn’t clear what the exit ramp is for them. If they stop training and just focus on inference (which they claim is profitable), they immediately fall off the list of frontier models. I’m sure China also sees this and is using state subsidies to fund industry and challenging the West to keep up. This is similar to the way that Reagan outspent the USSR in the 1980s, only now the Chinese are funding it. That said, it’s also not clear what happens if the Chinese models “win” (is that bad?), particularly when all the models get so good as to meet the needs of most applications. Anyway, AI lies at this interesting intersection of both standard technology competition and geopolitical competition.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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It's already been trained. GDM said it was going to be released and it hasn't yet. Not sure why so much snark

Don’t ask engineers at big companies for release dates, they either don’t know or are not at liberty to say.

They already announced it for release in April. Why am I being attacked here

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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This[1]:

> This has the potential to begin a new era of personal empowerment where individuals can use this powerful new capability to reach their full potential, pursue their interests, and improve their lives and the world more than ever before.

Plus this[2]:

> Since 2019, thousands of deceptive advertisements on Facebook have used the likeness of the highly prominent businessman to promote scams, racking up thousands of victims, according to the suit.

> The billionaire's legal team argues that Meta's artificial intelligence tools optimised and personalised fraudulent ads before distributing them, thereby making Meta an active participant, rather than a mere intermediary.

Make for a fun juxtaposition today.

[1] https://www.meta.com/thefutureisforeveryone/

[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-11/andrew-forrest-meta-s...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

> No one is purely good, and no one is purely evil.

This post is utter bullshit and I think we’re all tired of the apologists, especially when it comes to Mark. These “middle of the road, let’s all be nice” solutions haven’t worked at all, and saying “Meta has done enough good” is extraordinarily questionable for those of us who have watched these tools rip apart the social fabric. Absolutely nothing will change when toothless people like yourself try to act like Mark is a normal person - we’ve all seen his fake, robotic, controlling, psychotic behavior over and over and over and over.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Yes, but it's good for everyone that the strategy of attempting to commoditize the cash cow of a competitor exists.

I made no value judgment about it. I merely note that it’s a game. Meta is not being altruistic or doing anything for the “good” of humanity or whatever. To be clear, I like competition with companies releasing open weight models.

Yeah I didn't mean to imply I was contradicting you, I meant my comment to expand on your point with my own value judgement that this kind of competition is actually quite a good thing.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

If everyone did good things for selfish reasons, the world would be a much better place than it is.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Communication is not a one-player game. For example, if I was being pedantic: > nobody seems to care about using the right words in only this context. "nobody" would include you. And then I might complain about we use the word "weight" for something massless, or how "bugs me" is *ento*mologically incorrect: https://xkcd.com/1012/ This is of course not a good use of time. I wonder if illustrating the point about how l…

> And then I might complain about we use the word "weight" for something massless, or how "bugs me" is ento mologically incorrect: https://xkcd.com/1012/ "Communicating": https://xkcd.com/1860/

Not sure how the quoted examples fits with your link, TBH.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/descriptive-vs-presc...

Prescriptively, a "model weight" weighs nothing. Descriptively, this is stupid: a new meaning was created by common use.

*Common* use says the weights you can download and run locally are "open source". May not like it, but it's not one person acting alone; and neither are the objectors to the shifting language, it's just the former is more "common" than the latter.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Ethics can guide us here:

The trade/net is:

1) bad company does good things..

2) further reinforces toxic Ends Justify The Means thinking.

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