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Under federal rule, colleges must leave grads better off or lose financial aid

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It was a school in rural Mississippi which was next to an Air Force Base and filled primarily w/ children of base personnel --- apparently it was changed away from that shortly after my father retired, I had thought because of legal challenges, but that was from the uncertain organic memory of 10 year old me of half a century ago.

Was this Keesler by any chance?

No, Columbus.

Re: Under federal rule, colleges must leave grads better off or lose financial aid

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I think the corollary is about taxpayer accountability. It's easy to make the argument: "If we invest $1M in education, we will have $10M in additional future economic output, $4M in future taxes, and $20M less in law enforcement / criminal prosecution / jail fees. It improves global competitiveness." That's a no-brainer. Education is a very high ROI investment for a country. Like infrastructure spending or industria…

Here we have an example of someone who see college/university as a vocational training center for worker, instead of seeing it as higher education that inspire civilized thinker.

... or someone who has a hard time seeing how most actual arts, music, and humanities college degrees have that impact.

Examples of things with high-impact towards civics:

- Philosophy, especially political philosophy. Aristotle, Confucius, Marx, Smith, ...

- History, political science, economics, journalism

- Theory of law, studied academically. Lawyers, for the most part, have the opposite effect.

- Anthropology + international relations

Examples of things which currently don't:

- Most major in art, film, visual studies, literature, African/women's/LGBTQ/Asian/... studies, language majors, linguistics, ...

This is a statement about the practice of such majors. For example:

* Art/film/... ought to contribute, historically has contributed, and in much of Europe, actually still does. In most of the US, it leads to either unemployment or work in advertising, and doesn't teach the right things.

* Looking at the experiences of different minorities ought to contribute. In practice, most of these majors are dysfunctional self-admiration cults, with people citing each other's work, due to misaligned incentive structures in academic hiring.

* It's no coincidence that the most important work in philosophy, in the past century, was not done by philosophy majors.

* A Chinese / French / Russian / ... major will place you about one tier down from a Chinese / French / Russian / ... immigrant in terms of... just about everything.

In either case, many of these things do still have value, but it's not the same funding bucket.

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Putting a broad label of “woke garbage” on simple liberal arts requirements of taking a few classes from “history, philosophy, arts, international studies, or social sciences,” almost does not even justify a response. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you’ve never taken such a class, but I can assure that unless you live in a reality so warped by politics, that basic logic and reason is out the…

Friend told me that teacher followed neutral curriculum, but every five 5 minutes there was smugly inside joke about "rape culture" or "white man bad". Kind of like bad standup performance. Try to bring up something factually correct like: cristian culture in 19th century UK abolished slavery worldwide , and you would get harassed and kicked out of school! And you do not have to take my word on that, they proudly ann…

> Try to bring up something factually correct like: cristian culture in 19th century UK abolished slavery worldwide

Correction:

> cristian culture in 19th century UK

(mostly) got rid of (its own sector of) the worldwide slavery system created by... Christian culture in 15th century what-is-now UK, among other predominantly Christian countries.

Re: Under federal rule, colleges must leave grads better off or lose financial aid

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“Practicing” and providing maintenance care of a condition are two completely different concepts, and the point you replied to stands.

Nah, the point was just wrong. In many cases these primary care doctors are doing more than just maintaining a treatment plan prescribed by a specialist. Apparently you don't understand how the practice of medicine is legally defined in US states.

I might say the same about your stance, especially considering all you've offered up as evidence are hypothetical situations.

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Individually-scoped education is objectively a good national investment

Can we quantify that? Does it apply equally to every college and major?

Yes, of course you can. On average, higher education tends to produce positive national returns. This has been studied over and over and over. The selection of major and college is largely irrelevant. Even though individual returns vary significantly by major, institution, completion rate, and labor-market conditions, the average measured return to higher education is positive enough that most competent economists view it as a productive public investment.
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