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Post by mkesper »

ksec wrote: post #528
FridgeSeal wrote: post #465

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Sure would be nice if we got to see any of that, instead of it all going solely to resource guzzling data centres selling opaque models whilst simultaneously destroying the pricing for local hardware!

>Sure would be nice if we got to see any of that, We are only 1 to 2 year into a cycle and we expect a lot of things to happen. Even the business decisions of things were decided before the cycle happened, as if they are fortune teller or God, the hardware lead time would meant it will be next year at best before we see results. And Nvidia has already moved at a faster pace than most imagined. Latest GPU R&D are now…

Please show sources. Maybe no one appreciates it because it's only rumors spread by enterprises massively profiting from such rumors? And about your toilet paper analogy: Every producer tried everything to improve output. You cannot just let your machines run faster. You also need input materials, workers and logistics to scale accordingly, which is often not possible.

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Post by deathanatos »

binarymax wrote: post #14

This is just the reality of hardware costs now. RAM and Disk are scarce, prices have skyrocketed. I wonder how much leverage the hyperscalers like AWS/GCP/Azure have on their own supply chain to keep costs level in their clouds.

Microsoft can't supply sufficient compute capacity to itself; they're in the news today for considering AWS for capacity.

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Post by l23k4 »

ValentineC wrote: post #535
id00 wrote: post #490

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Here is my experience in the center of Shanghai, very subjective of course: - I can't pay with my credit/debit cards there so I need to get their alipay pay app. There is KYC required to upload my government ID. - We stayed in a short rent apartment, so we had to temporarily register with government. Of course that requires uploading photos of me, my kids, and all our IDs - with a lot of apps banned there, you are es…

> you need VPN Roaming works to bypass GFW. Apparently many local employees of international businesses have a Hong Kong SIM card with generous data allowances, just so they can communicate with the outside world. > you go outside, there is always a police or some security in booth watching you. Of course cameras are also everywhere. My take on this is that because of high youth unemployment in China, there's a natio…

>Roaming works to bypass GFW. Apparently many local employees of international businesses have a Hong Kong SIM card with generous data allowances, just so they can communicate with the outside world.

Isn't that basically just an IPSec VPN?

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Post by mfru »

simianparrot wrote: post #444
flossly wrote: post #410

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Upsides will be seen into societies that are not capital-above-govt, but govt-above-capital. China for instance: they will show advantages of AI (amongst other technologies). Sure they've got surveillance there, but there's also surveillance in the west. In China you have clean streets and low crime, while in the west it's surveillance without tangible benefit for the common people.

Social credit bonus for wild unfounded claims online is probably nice if you live in the top 5 megacities.

Social credit does not exist the way you think it does

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Post by vanviegen »

Valakas_ wrote: post #560
thisisit wrote: post #542

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We always overestimate the change that will occur in the next two years and underestimate the change that will occur in the next ten. Every new generation changing technology is followed by a frenzy of infrastructure build out. Running up to the dotcom bubble lot of money was spent on building undersea cables and Internet infra because the assumption was that the demand for websites was going to be a straight line if…

The comparison with the internet is not valid, and I can immediately give you one reason. I was there (3000 years ago) when the internet was in its infancy. When the dot com bubble was going on, the internet was a fringe thing for most people. People didn't really use it, didn't know how to use it, didn't trust it (for purchases, for information). The investors were still right, but they were too ahead of their time,…

> Demand is higher than supply.

Only when the product is being given away for free or sold way below cost. It's still unclear how large the actual market is.

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Post by kelnos »

michaelteter wrote: post #505
id00 wrote: post #490

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Here is my experience in the center of Shanghai, very subjective of course: - I can't pay with my credit/debit cards there so I need to get their alipay pay app. There is KYC required to upload my government ID. - We stayed in a short rent apartment, so we had to temporarily register with government. Of course that requires uploading photos of me, my kids, and all our IDs - with a lot of apps banned there, you are es…

Re: KYC US is out of control on KYC as well. If you're a nomad, as in you don't have a permanent physical address, you cannot have a bank account. You cannot have credit cards. And now you cannot even have a mail handling service, because the new USPS requirements include ID showing a permanent residential address. Sure this doesn't affect most people, but it affects at least two groups: the very poor, and the perpet…

It's surprising to me to learn that a place like Texas is like that. I live in California and have access to lots of public spaces, and rarely see police or fences. Private security is pretty common, but that don't bother me much; most of them don't carry firearms, and there's very little they're legally allowed to do. (And they don't make enough to risk life and limb, so they're not going to get into any but the lightest of confrontations.)

I haven't had to rent an apartment since 2014, but my experience then was similar to yours. I don't think any of that is required by law, but if I were going to rent my house out to someone I'd absolutely want to do all that stuff too.

I've definitely checked into hotels in California only providing my own ID, not the IDs of anyone staying with me. And I believe the ID check wasn't a legal requirement; the hotel was using it to verify that I was actually the person I was claiming to be for the purposes of matching me to my reservation. I don't know if there are legal limits on how long you can stay in a hotel here without re-booking.

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Post by kelnos »

l23k4 wrote: post #563
ValentineC wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you need VPN Roaming works to bypass GFW. Apparently many local employees of international businesses have a Hong Kong SIM card with generous data allowances, just so they can communicate with the outside world. > you go outside, there is always a police or some security in booth watching you. Of course cameras are also everywhere. My take on this is that because of high youth unemployment in China, there's a natio…

>Roaming works to bypass GFW. Apparently many local employees of international businesses have a Hong Kong SIM card with generous data allowances, just so they can communicate with the outside world. Isn't that basically just an IPSec VPN?

Usually, yes, but it's an IPsec VPN that the great firewall will explicitly not mess with in any way, because they don't want to inconvenience foreigners who are there on business.

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Post by sieve »

tptacek wrote: post #481
jrflowers wrote: post #461

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tptacek is arguing that he, specifically, does not care about the Hetzner price increase. Anything outside of that (eg the cost spike in consumer computing https://www.trendforce.com/presscenter/news/20260310-12959.h... ) isn’t relevant. There’s no point in making an argument about the material reality of things here because he’s objectively right that he, personally, does not care about it.

I'm thinking more about, like, my next door neighbors, who also don't care that my interlocutor had to turn off one of their hobby servers. That's OK, though, because they also think a Macbook Neo would cost $119 without the Apple tax, so I think we're at an impasse.

There are people running sites hosting old religious texts and hymns and a hundred other things that have nothing to do with programmers. A 4x jump in the bill for someone on limited income not gaining anything from it is not trivial. It results in the disappearance of a site that will not come back.

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Post by lylo »

Hetzner could win back some of that love if they release the long-rumoured managed Postgres offering at a price that undercuts most of the competition.

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Post by kelnos »

flossly wrote: post #410
ryandvm wrote: post #280

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Upsides will be seen into societies that are not capital-above-govt, but govt-above-capital. China for instance: they will show advantages of AI (amongst other technologies). Sure they've got surveillance there, but there's also surveillance in the west. In China you have clean streets and low crime, while in the west it's surveillance without tangible benefit for the common people.

There are many places in the West with clean streets and low crime that don't use China's economic or political model.
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