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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by beernet »

stale2002 wrote: post #538
beernet wrote: post #501

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> Basically everyone in the US is a zionist. What? What kind of world view is that? Surely not a factual one. I have no view here other than what I hear from people and news. What stokes me is that people like you are really shocked and surprised when confronted with the truth.

Of course it's true. Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons. Most people aren't stupid enough to think that trying to destroy a country with 200+ nuclear weapons is a good idea. If they understand this simply idea, that makes them a zionist, almost by definition.

This is total nonsense and you sound like a bot. A bad one at that. This is pathetic.

Fear is not equivalent to zionism. In addition to that, Russia has many more nuclear weapons and is getting destroyed at this very moment.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by sph »

bigyabai wrote: post #315
karim79 wrote: post #242

These threads are always fun. The mental gymnastics of the Israeli "splainers" will never fail to amaze me. Israelsplainers perhaps. I want to say that it's just Netanyahu who needs to go away but it's actually much, much more than just him. The tide is shifting methinks and rightly so (and finally).

> Israelsplainers perhaps The Israeli wumao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara Hasbara has no direct English translation, but roughly means "explaining". It is a communicative strategy that "seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified". [...] In its 2025 budget, Israel planned to spend $150 million on hasbara, a 20-fold increase. In the 2026 budget, NIS 2.35 billion (about $730 million) has been a…

If one wants to see them in blatant action, just head to Reddit's /r/worldnews

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by balex »

throwaway23984 wrote: post #558
balex wrote: post #516

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[flagged]

Posting from a throwaway account just because this is such a sensitive issue, but posting my genuine thoughts. I assume I am very out of touch with antisemitism since I have always lived in countries where I assume there aren't very many Jewish people, and I never hear much about them. I understand that there was a lot of really terrible antisemitism for a very long period of history, and I read and hear that there i…

I wasn't talking about Israel. I pointed out the antisemitic metaphor. Like it or not, that's the same language. I find the sarcasm of the parent taking sides and crossing into that territory telling. It's further strengthened by their response after being called out.

There, now you know. Hope you feel safe behind the throwaway account. Karma's tough, right?

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by noworriesnate »

screye wrote: post #546
noworriesnate wrote: post #147

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Israel obviously influenced American politicians through many avenues, not the least of which is the Epstein blackmail ring.

Ah yes, the nation's most influential sex-trafficker/pimp was a Mossad asset and the $100b budget CIA knew anything about it. They set up the world's most advanced domestic spying system, and the NSA did not flag anything. You do realize that such conspiracy theories require all 3 of these things to be true ? 1. American elites are totally clueless 2. The CIA is hopelessly incompetent 3. Mossad has compromised every…

Epstein represented the Rothschilds: https://jmail.world/thread/EFTA02470755?email=EFTA02470755-1

The Rothschilds have supported Israel for over 140 years; the most recent example is Lord Jacob Rothschild, who appears in the Epstein files.

Those are the facts. I don’t think it necessarily follows that the CIA didn’t realize what was going on or that the American elite were clueless. Those are left as an exercise to the reader.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by stale2002 »

za3faran wrote: post #559
stale2002 wrote: post #557

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Having opinions on where tax dollars go has little do to with someone advocating for destroying an entire nuclearly armed country. Basically nobody in the USA wants it do that.

The implication of stopping tax dollars from going there is that they will not be able to sustain themselves. This is obvious to many people at this point in time, and this latest war against Iran has awakened even more (let alone the ongoing genocide). There are many people in the USA who wish to see the end of colonization of occupied Palestine.

> they will not be able to sustain themselves

A nuclear armed country wouldn't go down without a fight.

I'm also not sure who is even left to do anything about Israel. The entirety of Gaza is rubble and southern Lebanon is soon to follow. And Iran can't destroy Israel with its dwindling missile stocks, they'd need a ground army for that.

But if it actually came down to it, they would kill every last one of their enemies if their existence was actually threatened.

Given that fact, anyone who's wants it to be destroyed must have a seething deep hatred for the Palestinians and all the rest of the arabs that would die in the process.

I don't think most people out there hate the Palestinians so much that they would want to see them all die in nuclear hellfire, no.

But hey, maybe you know more people than I do that wouldn't care about the millions of Arabs that would die in the inevitable nuclear war.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by stale2002 »

beernet wrote: post #561
stale2002 wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's true. Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons. Most people aren't stupid enough to think that trying to destroy a country with 200+ nuclear weapons is a good idea. If they understand this simply idea, that makes them a zionist, almost by definition.

This is total nonsense and you sound like a bot. A bad one at that. This is pathetic. Fear is not equivalent to zionism. In addition to that, Russia has many more nuclear weapons and is getting destroyed at this very moment.

> Fear is not equivalent to zionism.

Saying that it's a bad idea to destroy Israel absolutely is Zionist.

It's accepting that Israel will exist and attempts to destroy it should not be enacted. In this case, because of the nuclear war.

> and is getting destroyed at this very moment.

No they aren't. Russia isn't going to collapse as a country. Thats ridiculous. The worst case scenario for them is continued economic damage and a full withdrawal from Ukraine.

But Moscow going under was never on the table, and yeah if it was actually truly threaten by an invading army, I'd absolutely expect nuclear weapons to be in the table.

To apply the same thing to Israel, sure in some wild world that isn't the current universe, I could see them being pushed out of, like their current Lebanon areas and for the fighting to stop in Gaza, ect. And nuclear weapons aren't going to be used.

But that's not the same as Jerusalem being threatened. Yes, if an invade army was taking over half the country, with boots on the ground, yes the nukes would fly.

It arguably almost happened in fact, in one of the previous Arab wars. Nothing even close to that will happen any time soon though (because Israel isn't losing).

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by za3faran »

stale2002 wrote: post #566
za3faran wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication of stopping tax dollars from going there is that they will not be able to sustain themselves. This is obvious to many people at this point in time, and this latest war against Iran has awakened even more (let alone the ongoing genocide). There are many people in the USA who wish to see the end of colonization of occupied Palestine.

> they will not be able to sustain themselves A nuclear armed country wouldn't go down without a fight. I'm also not sure who is even left to do anything about Israel. The entirety of Gaza is rubble and southern Lebanon is soon to follow. And Iran can't destroy Israel with its dwindling missile stocks, they'd need a ground army for that. But if it actually came down to it, they would kill every last one of their enem…

Yes we know about what they call the "Samson option". The west supported and allowed an extremely brutal, unhinged colonizer do whatever it wanted right after WW2 and now everyone has to pay the price. If they use it, the entire world will suffer, not just the neighboring region. This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped.

We of course care about human life (unlike the occupation). I don't know what will happen. The Assad regime fell in a 10 day period after a decade+ worth of war and conflict. Things may not need to escalate to a full blown ground war, we already hear about of a lot of internal rift among the occupation. They lost 100k+ individuals who left and never came back since 2020 or so. Unlike what the occupation likes to make up, the Palestinians (and Muslims in general) do not have an issue with cohabitating with jews[1]. Many of isarelis are atheist/secular anyway, so their so called claim to the land based on that argument is non-existent, and they would probably be the first to migrate out as we see happening slowly.

[1] https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by FunnyUsername »

pandaman wrote: post #543
FunnyUsername wrote: post #542

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It's pretty absurd to think that Israel would intentionally attack a neutral superpower in the middle of a war for its survival, knowing that at best it would have to apologize and pay reparations, and at worst it would be destroyed by a vastly stronger military. Friendly fire happens all the time; not everything needs to be a conspiracy.

Can you give an example of a friendly fire on a warship consisting of continuous air and naval attack over the course of two hours? Just one? Friendly fire will suffice, I am not even asking about some other country doing the same to the US. As for Israel motivation it's pretty obvious why they did it - they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt and involve the US in the war. Though it does not really matter, even you…

Screwups happen, and it wasn't only on Israel's side. USS Liberty was way closer to the coast/warzone than it should have been due to missing an order, and once attacked, wasn't able to even communicate with its fleet for quite a while, let alone with Israel.

> they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt

There was no attempt to blame Egypt, and the idea is completely implausible - a US investigation could very easily distinguish an Israeli vs an Egyptian attack when a variety of boats (coming from Israeli ports) and many other assets are involved.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by stale2002 »

za3faran wrote: post #568
stale2002 wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they will not be able to sustain themselves A nuclear armed country wouldn't go down without a fight. I'm also not sure who is even left to do anything about Israel. The entirety of Gaza is rubble and southern Lebanon is soon to follow. And Iran can't destroy Israel with its dwindling missile stocks, they'd need a ground army for that. But if it actually came down to it, they would kill every last one of their enem…

Yes we know about what they call the "Samson option". The west supported and allowed an extremely brutal, unhinged colonizer do whatever it wanted right after WW2 and now everyone has to pay the price. If they use it, the entire world will suffer, not just the neighboring region. This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped. We of course care about human life (unlike the occupation). I don't know what…

> This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped.

Nuclear weapons are meant to stop countries from being destroyed, for every country that has thems.

Thats why countries get those nuclear weapons in the first place. To use in a last resort in case they are destroyed. They even have fancy words for it, like "mutually assured destruction".

I doubt you have invented a nuke shield. Meaning that, for all countries that have nuclear weapons, destroying them is a very bad idea.

> We of course care about human life

If you are talking so cavalierly about destroying a country that has nuclear weapons, it would not seem like you care much about the arab lives that live there. It seems like you would rather the arabs throw there lives away, for nothing, for decades to come. All for some silly obsession with destroying a nuclear armed country, no matter how many women and children have to die along to way to fail to do much of anything against them.

Just look around you dude. Gaza is entirely rubble. Most of Israel's enemies are in shambles, and former enemies of Israel from decades past have strong alliances with Israel now.

The axis of resistance failed. And coping about it will just get more arabs killed for nothing. Most people don't want to throw their lives away for nothing. They want to move on and have peace. And it is rich to see foreigners so giddy about the idea of more dead arabs sacrificing themselves for the cause.

But hey, its not like it really matters much anymore. I expect that Israel's enemies and Gaza's fate is sealed at this point, and when immigration opens up in a couple years 1/3rd to half of the population there will resettle outside of palestine. Its sad, but hey, most people there don't want to live in tents forever.

> The Assad regime fell

They didn't have nuclear weapons. And if they did, most people who aren't stupid would be hesitant about trying to destroy them.

> the Palestinians (and Muslims in general) do not have an issue with cohabitating with jews

Then the solution is simple. Give up on the idea of trying to destroy a nuclear armed country. Easy right? Just accept peace instead of risking the lives of all the arabs in the region for a doomed goal that only will kill many many many more arabs if it ever came anyone close to being enacted.

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