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Re: The worst job interview I ever had

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post #465

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It's a good job I wasn't being interviewed for this job, as I have not one iota of a smidge of a clue what PEFT and LORA are. And I have no idea what varieties of prompting technique there are.

PEFT is more niche as it's a specific library ( https://github.com/huggingface/peft ) that creates LoRAs, but for a machine learning engineer working with LLM models outside of just prompting an API, it's within scope to know why/how a LoRA should be used.

Fair enough.

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#562

Heh, I once interviewed at a place that asked me to sit the Oxford Capacity Analysis test as part of the process. (The Scientology personality test, for those unaware.) I politely declined, which seemed to confuse the interviewer, but he moved right along. I still got the job lol

What was the job like? That's quite the thing to move past and then still get the job on

A bit culty, if I never hear talk about hatting and going on post again I'll be quite happy. So many practices and stuff that I didn't realize were Scientology-related until I looked them up later

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#563

This… was a mistake on both you and the interviewer. All interview questions - unless it’s impossible to twist your answer to fit this - is scoped to “… at work”. Nobody who asks “tell me about yourself” is asking you to talk about how you met your partner, how many cats you have, or that experience you had, that one time, at band camp. It would be redundant and awkward to literally say “… at work” at the end of ever…

These aren't at all the same thing though.

A candidate can be aware that these kinds of questions are supposed to have boundaries, but that's different from whether an interviewer understands or respects that. And if they don't, those people are also in a decision-making capacity that doesn't often empower you to just say "no."

Even when those things are scoped to "...at work," there are still answers that happen at work that are equally inappropriate to go digging for. "Tell me about a time you experienced adversity," for instance, could turn up health or family details that people might have juggled with their jobs -- things that you aren't actually supposed be considering as a factor in these decisions.

I also don't know, when someone is spending 90min screening you for "culture fit," that you can assume they're asking you for things that are strictly related to the job. They should be, but that's different from whether that's always a realistic presumption you can make.

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#564
post #454

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You don't want to pass an interview like that.

Its an effective way to sort out those candidates who are not able to leave private stuff at home.

If an interviewer, who has the power to deny you a job unless your answers are satisfactory to them, is unprofessional enough to abuse that by pressing you for inappropriate personal details during the interview, then there actually is no correct answer.

You can't assume that person is going to act in good faith about anything else in that situation, so even refusing to take the bait is still ultimately a roulette wheel that can just as easily be labeled as "difficult" or "combative."

If it would be unprofessional to bring those things up freely, then it's actually more unprofessional to coerce people about them as a screening criteria -- whether that's coercing them into putting on a show of dancing around the issues, or coercing them into giving you honest answers.

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#565

I always wanted to tell the story of my weirdest interview. It's bad in a different way from OP's. This was for a "Machine Learning Engineer" contractor position. - Hi, I'm gobdovan. How are you? says I. The interviewer doesn't bite: - How many prompting techniques do you know? (ok?..) After a couple confused seconds, I respond with 2-3 techniques and ask if I should explain them, but the interview engine is already…

This was a fun story. I appreciate your patience, I would have said thanks and left after the cardboard box show

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

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post #559

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The most shocking part of this story is the part where you took the job. Not trying to throw shade, just the truth! What on earth was going on that made this your best option?

Needed to pay my bills. It tided me over for a short while.

Understandable. I've been there. Something something "cash rules everything around me"

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#567

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> They specifically asked personal questions - parents stuff, relationship, etc. In the US any employer who asks you about personal relationships during an interview is opening themselves up to an illegal discrimination lawsuit.

Even just an IQ test [1] or teacher licensing test [2,3] opens them to illegal discrimination, so that's not saying much. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co . [2] https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/black-latino-teachers-... [3] https://teachercertification.com/nystce/multi-subject-arts-a...

IQ testing in white collar US employment is not unlawful and several household name companies openly perform general cognitive assessments; the companies that provide those tests have logo crawls just like every other product company. Griggs doesn't say what you think it says.

IQ testing is uncommon in US employment because it doesn't do a good job of selecting candidates, not because it's unlawful.

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#568
post #521

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Also a great way for candidates to filter out employers who play bizarre mind games and think personal trick questions are appropriate in an interview.

Literally he’s saying to behave inappropriately in a professional interview and see if the candidate plays along. Might as well see if you can get the candidate to offer a bribe or sexual favors for the job since we’re going all in on entrapment.

The opposite. Are you breaking the rule to leave your private stuff home just because the other side is or are you capable of keeping out of such sources of interpersonal conflicts, take over and redirect the discussion back to a professional level?

Of course it depends for what field and role you apply. For any leading role or customer contact point the capability to stay professional is essential. If you flip burgers at McDonald's then it's your right to be grumpy.

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#569

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Sorry to hear that you viewed it as a "litany of crap", but if it's of any solace, if you had slopped it, the result would not have been immediately different -- but you would be marked in our system in such a way that subsequent applications would also be disqualified. It sounds like we're not a fit for you either, though, so maybe just as well!

Im guessing you dont get that much feedback about the process. Or, you do and you dont care. The process stank, wasted my time, and got HR slop form letter as a result months later. A deny is normal. The way it was done was a big FU.

I'm not sure what else you're looking for; we are already explicit about the fact that we (like YC!) don't give detailed feedback. If you would like to DM me, I will look at the reviews of your materials and tell you what I can tell you -- but I think it's pretty clear that you and Oxide aren't really a fit for one another?

Re: The worst job interview I ever had

#570

I fail to recall the exact wording of the discussion topics, but they were, in fact, non-technical — covering such lovely topics as the hardest day of my life, my biggest life challenges, and other similar “trauma-baiting” questions. Ha, I don't think anyone who asks these questions expects that you'll respond in a fully unfiltered way... These kinds of questions are part and parcel of non-tech interview processes. Y…

I've done a couple bay area startup interviews where the interviewer specifically asks for 'personally / family' related anecdotes. With the explanation that they view their company as a literal family and want to make sure candidates would fit in. So I'm inclined to believe OP's description and understanding of the question
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