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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by chamomeal »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #412
epenn wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully the negative responses in that thread + the conversation here on HN might help them realize that totally removing Code access for Pro users isn't a good look. And with no free trial period on top of that, nobody is going to want to pay $100+ just to check it out. I can't imagine the conversion rate of that test being positive.

A few enterprise customers I know are upgrading to the higher plan now that their limits have been nuked. I imagine Anthropic is trying to see how many users they can push to higher tiers with these new squeezes. I hate to say it but I imagine it will work. It’s going to suck for me, because I had gotten used to ridiculously cheap tokens, but I guess the era of subsidized tokens is over.

I would guess that even now, they’re still subsidized. Just judging by how desperate these companies are to get ahead of each other

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by chamomeal »

thousand_nights wrote: post #244
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #206

Apparently it's just an A/B test. Legit LMAO moment, speedrunning reputation destruction to your entire userbase just to test a question whose answer you can probably already guess. --- > For clarity, we're running a small test on ~2% of new prosumer signups. Existing Pro and Max subscribers aren't affected. > When we launched Max a year ago, it didn't include Claude Code, Cowork didn't exist, and agents that run for…

big fan of A/B tests that dehumanize the consumer into some kind of money making lab rat funnel whose only purpose is to be experimented on how you can extract more money out of it peak siliconbromaxxing

Stage 2 of enshittification. A necessary prerequisite to full enshittification is lock-in, so be on the lookout for it!

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by chamomeal »

IgorPartola wrote: post #332

What a way to ruin goodwill with the very community they are trying to court. I am on a Pro subscription to use with Claude Code, but it sounds like the days of using it are numbered. I guess I will be trying the latest offering from OpenAI and Google tomorrow and if they are satisfactory I might just switch. Moreover, I have been recommending Anthropic's API solutions up to now to friends and clients. Based on this…

If I could get the equivalent of GPT-4 running locally, that would cover like 95% of what I need an LLM for. Tweak this dockerfile, gimme a bash script. I guess the context probably isn’t sufficient for the agent stuff, but I’m sure more context-efficient harnesses will be coming down the line

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by jmalicki »

htrp wrote: post #379
eleventen wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are clear contradictions across their marketing site. As others have pointed out, it's being removed from some help articles and the pricing chart now shows it revoked. Confusing signals, but they seem to be changing all pages in this direction and haven't updated that one yet. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47854478

what happened to agentic superintelligence based development?

This is superintelligence. The mixed signals are tested to increase their revenues. Superintelligent AIs wouldn't be honest.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by jmalicki »

r0fl wrote: post #401
alexandra_au wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible that Anthropic sees that the loss of $20/mo customers could be offset by the customers purchasing the $100/mo plan

This is a market where hyper growth is important Loss of customers is the wrong direction

Their supply of being able to serve the models is hardcore rationed by their ability to scale up datacenters and GPUs.

They really don't need to subsidize unprofitable customers at this point when there is a line out the door to pay thousands of dollars a month per user, that are revolting because they aren't actually being able to get reliable uptime.

They have all the growth they need for now, they really don't need the cheap users.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by coffeefirst »

Eufrat wrote: post #386

This just lends more fuel to AI skeptics that this entire thing is a massive, unsustainable grift. The explanation only adds confusion and implicitly means that this was not a mistake. What is someone to take away from this? That $20/month is not profitable? That Anthropic thinks that people are willing to pay a 400% markup without batting an eye? That Anthropic is desperately trying to clean up their burn rate? Why…

There’s also a very real possibility that the skeptics are right.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by muzani »

rzk wrote: post #515
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #206

Apparently it's just an A/B test. Legit LMAO moment, speedrunning reputation destruction to your entire userbase just to test a question whose answer you can probably already guess. --- > For clarity, we're running a small test on ~2% of new prosumer signups. Existing Pro and Max subscribers aren't affected. > When we launched Max a year ago, it didn't include Claude Code, Cowork didn't exist, and agents that run for…

> If the subscriptions are unprofitable, then just communicate honestly, raise the price or lower limits for new subscribers transparently, and grandfather in existing users. This. Why do so many companies fail to get this? Anthropic's user base, in particular, is intelligent enough to understand their constraints.

It's possible they don't know the actual costs. The one-time costs like hardware and training foundation models is huge. There's the ongoing costs like the PhD dudes they hire. There's the data they buy and decide not to use. There's the various offers under one payment plan - limited artifact hosting, cowork, image upload, Claude Code, Code tab on Claude. What about feature parity between the site and app? Who's working on all these?

tldr it seems really complex and by the time they've counted it they probably hired 40 new people for an unannounced feature.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adam_patarino »

trueno wrote: post #337
abtinf wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That tweet only makes things worse. On top of all their other nonsense recently, it actually convinced me to cancel my subscription. I can't trust Anthropic to manage their products in a way that supports my workflow.

pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs.…

What are you guys subscribed to if not Claude? Copilot? Or is everyone legit bringing their own license?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adam_patarino »

maxall4 wrote: post #251
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

> on ~2% of new prosumer signups. I, and everyone else I have asked, see this new updated sales UI; sounds like more than 2%.

Either they vibe coded a test that was extremely broken.

Or they vibe wrote some bullshit to try and back pedal.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adam_patarino »

chamomeal wrote: post #563
IgorPartola wrote: post #332

What a way to ruin goodwill with the very community they are trying to court. I am on a Pro subscription to use with Claude Code, but it sounds like the days of using it are numbered. I guess I will be trying the latest offering from OpenAI and Google tomorrow and if they are satisfactory I might just switch. Moreover, I have been recommending Anthropic's API solutions up to now to friends and clients. Based on this…

If I could get the equivalent of GPT-4 running locally, that would cover like 95% of what I need an LLM for. Tweak this dockerfile, gimme a bash script. I guess the context probably isn’t sufficient for the agent stuff, but I’m sure more context-efficient harnesses will be coming down the line

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