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Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by dotancohen »

jorl17 wrote: post #363
dotancohen wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually a great point. The real problem we have is putting businesses and clients together. And traditional advertising is certainly not the answer.

My point was ~~two~~(edit: three)-fold (which, I guess, reading again is just the same thing said three times slightly differently...sorry!), more along the lines of: - I don't think they need the extra you would offer them. I'm pretty sure they didn't add anything related to accounting. I also have to admit I'm a bit shocked that you would do all of what I described for "a tad more" than 900€, especially taking "a t…

  > People ask the computer to do things, and the computer builds programs and integrations between programs that....do the thing!
The computer builds a program that ostensibly does the thing. Under ideal conditions, while under negligible load, with expected inputs and a well-meaning operator. Real world software must consider malformed or malicious input, cyclomatic complexity, resource usage, atomicity, sudden loss of power, the ability to actually restore a backup, floating point math, race conditions, I unnormalized text, security, reproducibility, debuggability, logging, and so many other things.

My career is pivoting from writing software to cleaning up other people's vibe-coded software.

I actually love the vibe-coding movement as it makes custom software available to more people, and also extends my own career as I pivot to clean up the messes.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by gmueckl »

ultratalk wrote: post #481
gmueckl wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! Even closing the windows of programs that users no longer need is hard. It's easy to develop a disconnect with the level that average users operate at when understanding computers deeply is part of the job. I've definitely developed it myself to some extent, but I have occasional moments where my perspective is getting grounded again.

I don't think that's representative of most non-CS professionals. Most people in the fields I know (mostly professors, medical doctors, and businesspeople) can use google chrome, word, powerpoint, and a little of excel decently. There are the occasional few who confuse spreadsheets and databases, but no one who thinks shutting down computers or closing windows is hard. Heck, my ageing dad managed to troubleshoot his…

Well, I didn't mean for this to be patronizing, but rather as a warning that not everybody is at the same level and the spread is huge. I see it often enough.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

s1mon wrote: post #538

I've been using the Codex app for a while (a few months) for a few types of coding projects, and then slowly using it for random organizational/productivity things with local folders on my Mac. Most of that has been successful and very satisfying, however... Codex is still far from ready for regular people. Simply moving a folder that Codex has been working on confuses the hell out of it. I can't figure out how to fi…

Maybe like, don’t do that?

Moving the folder you’re in out from under yourself is okay if you know you did it - but if you don’t, you’re gonna get confused :) And so is an agent!

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by krackers »

fifafu wrote: post #558
krackers wrote: post #555

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Could you elaborate on what you mean? My understanding of the Cocoa event loop was that ultimately everything is received as an NSEvent at the application layer (maybe that's wrong though). Do you mean that you can just AXUIElementPerformAction once you have a reference to it and the OS will internally synthesize the right type of event, even if it's not in the foreground?

yes you can do a lot background UI interaction using the AX APIs. Displaying a second cursor is also simple, just a borderless, transparent window that moves around. For the few things you cannot achieve with the Accessibility API's there are ways to post events directly to an app - even though CGEventPostToPid is mostly broken when used on its own. These require a combination of CGEventPostToPid and CGEventTapCreate…

Neat, good to know! And it does seem my mental model of event loop was broken. Accessibility related interactions don't have any related NSEvent.

They are handled as part of the "conceptual" run loop, but they seem to be dispatched internally by AXRuntime library from a callback off some mach port. And because of this, the call to nextEventMatchingEventMask in the main -[NSApplication run] loop never even sees any such NSEvent.

    -[NSApplication(NSEvent) _nextEventMatchingEventMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:]  (in AppKit)
        _DPSNextEvent  (in AppKit)
          _BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInModeWithFilter  (in HIToolbox)
            ReceiveNextEventCommon  (in HIToolbox)
              RunCurrentEventLoopInMode  (in HIToolbox)
                CFRunLoopRunSpecific  (in CoreFoundation)
                  __CFRunLoopRun  (in CoreFoundation)
                    __CFRunLoopDoSource1  (in CoreFoundation)
                      __CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_SOURCE1_PERFORM_FUNCTION__  (in CoreFoundation)
                        mshMIGPerform  (in HIServices)
                          _XPerformAction  (in HIServices)
                            _AXXMIGPerformAction  (in HIServices)
In some sense this is sort of similar to apple events, which are also "hidden" from the caller of nextEventMatchingEventMask. From what I can see those are handled by DPSNextEvent, which sorts based on the raw carbon EventRef. aevt types have `AEProcessAppleEvent` called on them, then the event is just consumed silently. Others get converted to a CGEvent and returned back to caller for it to handle. But of course accessibility events didn't exist in Classic mac, so they can't be handled at this layer so they were pushed further down. You can almost see the historical legacy here..

[1] https://www.cocoawithlove.com/2009/01/demystifying-nsapplica...

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by keeda »

enraged_camel wrote: post #63

>> for the more than 3 million developers who use it every week It is instructive that they decided to go with weekly active users as a metric, rather than daily active users.

They (and other AI players) have been using WAU over DAU for all their metrics, and many have questioned why. But if you look at other data sources of AI adoption, the reason is clear: Even while 56% of Americans now "regularly" use GenAI on a weekly basis, a much smaller percentage 10 - 14% use it on a daily basis. Here's one source but others had similar numbers: https://www.genaiadoptiontracker.com/

56% is much more impressive than 14%.

This may look bad until you consider that all of them are already desperately strapped for compute. I think the lower DAU is due to a combination of that and people still figuring out how to use AI.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by s1mon »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #565
s1mon wrote: post #538

I've been using the Codex app for a while (a few months) for a few types of coding projects, and then slowly using it for random organizational/productivity things with local folders on my Mac. Most of that has been successful and very satisfying, however... Codex is still far from ready for regular people. Simply moving a folder that Codex has been working on confuses the hell out of it. I can't figure out how to fi…

Maybe like, don’t do that? Moving the folder you’re in out from under yourself is okay if you know you did it - but if you don’t, you’re gonna get confused :) And so is an agent!

I'm very used to tools which keep track of connections to documents based on internal IDs, not folder structure. It seems primitive to be so brittle.

It seems even more stupid that it was so hard to get Codex to fix this for me. I managed to get it to solve the problem, but not before it got itself in this crazy loop of restarting the app, wanting to quit, quitting even if I canceled the quit dialog, and restarting over and over. I was able to reboot my machine and it had sorted out the missing references to most of the projects, but wow.

Re: Codex for almost everything

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Post by boxedemp »

planb wrote: post #157
postalcoder wrote: post #97

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i think you lack creativity. you could create a site that targets a very narrow niche, say an upper income school district. build some credibility, get highly ranked on google due to niche. post lunch menus with hidden embedded text. the attack surface is so wide idk where to start.

Why would my agent retrieve that lunch menu?

Funny joke,

But for real, obviously we all know people use agents to pick restaurants and that's a legit vector.

I agree it's not the biggest surface, but it's worth knowing imdo

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