Overseas citizen foments government trouble? That's terrorism in Australia. Should be in yours and the countries you raise trouble in.
Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm very curious about this. Google knows users care about their privacy, and it made the promise in its terms precisely for that reason. People pay attention to this stuff, as the popularity of this story shows. Therefore, it's generally not going to be in Google's interest to break its own terms. So what's going on? Did a Google employee simply mess up? Is the reporting not accurate or missing key details, e.g. Goo…
> Therefore, it's generally not going to be in Google's interest to break its own terms. It is also not in Google’s interest to resist this administration. I would not be surprised if they decided to kiss the ring and be by internal policy more cooperative than what the law strictly says. I guess we’ll get a better idea if more cases show up.
Previous administrations weren't easier to resist. Look up Joseph Nacchio's story. Short version: refuse to install https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAINWAY without a warrant, go to jail.
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#563Overseas citizen foments government trouble? That's terrorism in Australia. Should be in yours and the countries you raise trouble in.
What are you trying to do. Affect the policies of a democratic country that isn't yours? Shame on you, and go do it in Russia.
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#564The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…
There is no such thing as "settled law" in the US. The Supreme Court can always throw away precedent at any time they choose.
"Settled law" isn't a matter of opinion and it doesn't mean it can't be reversed or overturned. It means the potential legal ambiguity at question has been adjudicated by the Supreme Court (or lower courts without higher court intervention), and that ruling is the operative interpretation that governs how every court below applies the law.
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#565What's interesting to me about this submission is that the author believes this policy document contains a "promise" https://policies.google.com/terms/information-requests?hl=en... I cannot find any promises in that document nor would I expect to find any. It's a policy not an agreement At best, the policy contains "representations" The author might claim he was deceived by misrepresentations, and this deception had…
"Google promises that it will notify users before their data is handed over in response to legal processes, including administrative subpoenas."
Where?
The policy does not contain the word "will" and makes no reference to what Google will (cf. "may") do in the future
The policy is comprised of statements about what Google has done in the past
The claims here are for deceptive trade practices, not breach of agreement (enforceable promise)
Google could agree, i.e., promise, to notify. It does not. Readers should ask themselves why
Instead Google states it typically notifies, i.e., has notified in the past, or may notify under certain circumstances
No doubt Google can show the statements in the policy are true at least some of the time. It is just disclosing what it has sometimes done in the past. Nothing in these statements binds it to doing something in the future. It could decide to change its procedures and update the policy at any time. It can also make justifiable exceptions at any time for any reason, irrespective of whatever it has done in the past
The "Guest author" of this EFF page should not be surprised when he/she is ignored by the Attorneys General contacted
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#566If you were loyal to the country you chose to live in, you would support the protection of their people, not yours. Ask the Somalis.
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forget that. If they are really so motivated, they can get a warrant to raid your home and confiscate your hard drives. It's not an apples to apples comparison because an administrative warrant served to Google is much different from raiding your home but if they wanted to they could. At this point, acting as if America (and many parts of the world for that matter) aren't living under an authoritarian government is f…
> If they are really so motivated, they can get a warrant to raid your home and confiscate your hard drives. This is where encryption comes in.
Encryption is easy to crack. Ever heard of the $5 wrench attack?
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#568Earlier quoted context omitted.
Running against a President (especially one that is not on the ballot) is much easier than people think, all you have to do is pitch that while I may be terrible, your alternative is much, much, much worse which is exactly what the Trump campaign was all about. It worked because a lot of people bought that story (and many continue to buy it evidenced by DJT's approval ratings among the GOP voters). The whole campaign…
It worked because as bad as the GOP platform was, the dems' strategy was just awful, and their tactical decision making was abysmal. * focus on abortion, which is an important issue ... mostly to evangelicals * focus on threats to democracy, which sounded shrill and got blown off * no real message on the economy, which was widely perceived as floundering under Biden, and was very important to a lot of swing voters On…
I don't disagree but I don't believe there was any way Democrats would have kept power in 2024. They were unable to sell any positive news about the economy (DJT does not seem to have learned this lesson and is doing same stupid thing as Dems did in 2024). The no real message on the economy was real but economy was doing great in post-COVID world especially compared to the rest of the world and there wasn't a reputable financial outlet that did not agree with this (Economist, FT, WSJ, Bloomberg...).
While I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said I do not believe there was a way for Democrats to beat DJT. His machine was just too good and no matter the candidate and no matter the message I don't believe it would have mattered.
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#569Recently in SF, the police have been very open about their use of drones to follow thieves (completely violating their privacy). It is like China where there are posters telling you drone surveillance is in effect. I think we need to expand CCPA so that the government cannot simply spy on you by claiming that “criminals” are near you. Even criminals should have their privacy protected or else they will just label eve…
how does using a drone to follow thieves violate anyone's privacy? how is it any different than police pursuit in a marked car?
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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no architectural design where some covert team in Google can't exist to leak out data. After all the system needs to be able to let the user see their data. Unless they go open source, e2e encrypted, user managed keys and key backups, and user verification of client code. Which also means ad free.
I don't think you understand how silo'd the workers are at a place like Google. Their physical plant security, as well. They do security like any other federal defense contractor would. When you call in to Support at Google, you'll get someone who is a specialist in a certain thing, and they have access to only the tools and data necessary to do their particular job with your account. They rely on your disclosure of…
And yet... this debacle. Snowden. etc.