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Post by godelski »

JambalayaJimbo wrote: post #559
godelski wrote: post #540

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What would really help is for people to understand that that's the "spirit of the law" and the "letter of the law". People don't want the letter of the law enforced, they want the spirit. Using the example from above, speed limits were made for safety. They were set at a time and surprise, cars got safer. So people feel safer driving faster. They're breaking the letter of the law but not the spirit. I actually like t…

>cars have gotten safer For their inhabitants, maybe not pedestrians though. Speeding laws are in part for protecting pedestrians

In general cars have also gotten safer for pedestrians[0]. Modern cars are lighter and made of plastic. There's better visibility, sensors, and for most vehicles the shape of the car has improved things.

American trucks are an interesting counter example but that's a more complicated issue. (The source has a comment that you can infer this being a concern with trucks but there's also a lot of sources on this that you can easily find)

[0] https://www.fox7austin.com/news/data-40-year-high-auto-ped-d...

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Post by JoshTriplett »

necovek wrote: post #549
JoshTriplett wrote: post #543

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> speed limits are designed for the less than median "driver" Which is a dangerous line of thinking, as everyone thinks they're above average. Speed limits are also, to some extent, designed around physics. Higher-speed accidents have more kinetic energy.

I put the "driver" in quotes: it is not just about ability (let alone perceived ability), but also about equipment (car braking power, tyre quality in relation to road conditions), attention and driving style. You can be reasonably and objectively above average just by having great tyres and strong brakes paired with average attention (which you can control too) and average style/ability.

I agree with that. However, by necessity speed limits need to be set, and enforced, based on vehicles and drivers that meet the minimum standards we set for roadworthiness.

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Post by Ntrails »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #562
necovek wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I put the "driver" in quotes: it is not just about ability (let alone perceived ability), but also about equipment (car braking power, tyre quality in relation to road conditions), attention and driving style. You can be reasonably and objectively above average just by having great tyres and strong brakes paired with average attention (which you can control too) and average style/ability.

I agree with that. However, by necessity speed limits need to be set, and enforced , based on vehicles and drivers that meet the minimum standards we set for roadworthiness.

Speed limits are a terrible proxy for actual risk, but the only reasonable way a government can implement anything tending towards "ffs stop killing each other whilst driving too fast for the conditions".

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Post by namlem »

Geezus_42 wrote: post #348
namlem wrote: post #331

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There is an upside: oppressing people who consistently engage in antisocial behavior is good and necessary.

The whole point is that only some of those engaging in anti-social behaviour recieve punishment.

Right. People who only intermittently engage in such behaviors should be treated differently than people who consistently engage in them.
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