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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Good thing no one has proposed that solution anywhere other than your own mind.

> but I can build Firefox from scratch and review the source code if I want, unlike Safari. You didn’t say this?

How does "I can build Firefox from scratch and review the source code if I want" mean “I am going to compile an alternate solution without looking at the source code”?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Not spending money at Target is not voting with your wallet. Voting with your wallet is the spending you do at a business that isn't Target instead.

However voting is different. We don't vote for a policy (although that is a common misconception.) The collective power of voting is often voting against a person/party : voting them out. We spent money on goods/services we choose, and receiving money is a very strong signal to a business. Not spending money is an extremely weak signal. Opposites.

That all sounds quite similar rather than different.

>We don't vote for a policy (although that is a common misconception.) The collective power of voting is often voting against a person/party : voting them out.

Few people get coffee to support union labor but knowing that a coffee shop is actively antagonistic toward unionization may cause you to choose a different shop. The collective power of voting with your dollar is to 'vote in' businesses. The businesses not receiving votes must change or find themselves voted out. Much like politicians, businesses can also look at where the money-votes are going.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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I can't imagine countries with such strict speech laws, for example, would be willing to build a system that is technically incapable of linking the person visiting a sire and the site requesting verification. This proposal may have been updated since I read it previously, so I could be wrong now, but it didn't read as a true zero-knowledge proof as key steps in the flow still required a level of trusting the governm…

Seems like anywhere in the EU, something draconian only needs to be popular for like 5 years for it to get implemented, for better or for worse. They don't have robust constitutions like the US.

I wish the US constitution was robust, or at least could be held to such robustness today. As it stands congress has ceded much of their power to the executive branch and the public is barely represented when rules/regulations/laws are passed.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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The Files app cannot access images in the Photos app or music in the Music app. The only way to add music to the Music app is to copy the files onto the iPhone from a computer. You can however install VLC player and copy the files into the VLC folder. I guess VLC player is more trustworthy than Apple Music considering it's less isolated. Or Apple really wants you to pay the Music subscription, who knows. Want to give…

That’s a fair point. I was expecting the typical HN geek answer that you can’t access system files on iOS and you don’t have root access

Is that typical? I've seen complaints about lack of root access, and complaints that apps don't work with files in folders, but I haven't really seem them conflated the way you're describing.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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post #508

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I think you got me wrong. I was saying in France everyone has a photo id for government stuff. You pay taxes to the government so yeah you need some form of ID just for the government to know who’s paying the taxes. in the US you use social security number. it’s the same, but on a card and with a photo.

In the US you do not need an SSN to pay taxes. It makes it easier , and you can't claim a child without an SSN for the purposes of deductions, but you do not need an SSN.

okay fine, technically you need a TIN number which for most of US citizens is going to be their SSN. There, happy?

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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The gain is that you get to access the website. Fraud simply requires gain, not necessarily monetary benefit.

That's not it. There is 2 parts 2 fraud. Part 1: misrepresentation of fact Part 2: harm or loss due to that misrepresentation You must prove both. https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/fraud/#:~:text=and%20upon%...

And for something like this it has to be reasonable for them to rely on the misrepresentation, to which I would say definitely not.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

I am in my mid forties, been working as a professional software developer for over 20 years. I click “accept the cookies” almost every time. I just personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort and cost to try to avoid it. What “dark pattern cookie trick” are you worried about? I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way. All the examples I have heard are either completely implausible…

> I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way.

"We kill people based on metadata"

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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> As the years have marched on, though, that "birthdate" becomes significantly closer to my real birthday. I understand there's a clever phrasing here but I didn't get it. English is only my second language.

When a 10-year-old registers for an adult website, they pretend they're 100 years old. Their age is 90 years different from the stated birthday. Eighty years later, the birth date is just as far off—but the implied age is now only 10 years off.

We're keeping the same date here. 80 years later, the site thinks they're 180 years old. So it's still 90 years off, but now it's only 2x off instead of 10x off.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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post #493

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First of all, if you don't practice any tracking limitation, you're almost certainly giving additional parties (directly or otherwise) access to your personal information. This is marketing data brokerage, this is the whole ballgame. To your point about the actual harm, I've come to see it as a kind of ecological problem. Wasting energy and sending more trash to a landfill doesn't harm me individually, at least not i…

I turn off 3rd party cookies in the browser but I don't see first party cookies as big of a threat and I click accept just in case it breaks the website somehow.

I wish that were the clean delineation, but Google's gonna Google: https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/10064044?sjid=1536...

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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post #416

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I can't imagine countries with such strict speech laws, for example, would be willing to build a system that is technically incapable of linking the person visiting a sire and the site requesting verification. This proposal may have been updated since I read it previously, so I could be wrong now, but it didn't read as a true zero-knowledge proof as key steps in the flow still required a level of trusting the governm…

> I can't imagine That's admirably honest, but the contents of your mind don't necessarily correspond to the world outside it.

How so?

Though not quite the EU anymore, the UK arrests people based only on speech in a social media post. Why should I expect they would be interested in building a truly private, zero knowledge age verification system?

Maybe for a more direct example I could point to the discussions related to the EU wanting direct access to all private messages, pushing Signal to leave the EU if that were to pass?

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