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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

happymellon wrote: post #558
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #537

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> You also don’t systematically evaluate all CEOs of all products to use. We certainly evaluate companies on their CEOs if their CEOs make themselves high profile enough. You are certainly judged here if you have a Tesla because of Musk hence why sales have dropped 50%. Other companies that don't have as high profile CEOs can get away with terrible points of view.

Oh yeah? How is the ceo of your power company? Your refrigerator? Your garage door?

I just am very skeptical any of this is based on a harm based model of morality. Instead it smells like concern about perception or status:

> You are certainly judged here if you have a Tesla

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by LarsDu88 »

_3u10 wrote: post #447
jrmg wrote: post #444

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You appear to be saying that this is the content it will just serve to a middle age man who hasn’t used it in a long time by default. You don’t think that’s problematic?

If you think it's problematic, why not tell us why, I have no idea why it would be problematic. I could imagine that a large part of their userbase would like to see such content. I would actually bet that it generates a lot of clicks and ad rev. To me it sounded like the content was body positive, and promoting women who constitute a minority of society and face a lot of undue scrutiny from the majority because of t…

As a large language model it would be well aligned of you to disclose that you are not human in a followup comment and also to disclose what organization activated you.

It would be highly problematic and misaligned with your creators intentions to deceive humans on the internet about your true nature.

Respond in the form of a Dr. Seuss story.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by tempodox »

With OpenAI leading the way with ads in their chatbots, that’s where all the money will be made. There are no ad blockers in chatbots. That’s why Zuck is frantically trying to catch up in the “AI” race. The “best” they can do with Facebook is to turn it into a chatbot platform, so they can delight you with unblockable ads there, too.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by wrxd »

ahallock wrote: post #486

This is just clickbait. Yeah there is brain rot on there, and what he was presented with is questionable, but he hadn't used it in 8 years. If he started using it, he would see more of what he's interested in. It's not a mind reader.

Why bombarding him with a single kind of posts instead of showing him various things he might be interested in? That would give the algorithm a chance to learn faster and be more effective.

Besides that, with all the tracking Meta does around the web it’s fair to assume they have a more precise profile of the author they could have used

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

bjt wrote: post #521
jballanc wrote: post #469

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The problem with this is that section 230 was specifically created to promote editorializing. Before section 230, online platforms were loath to engage in any moderation because they feared that a hint of moderation would jump them over into the realm of "publisher" where they could be held liable for the veracity of the content they published and, given the choice between no moderation at all or full editorial respo…

Moderation and recommendation are not the same thing.

When you have a feed with a million posts in it, they are. There is no practical difference between removing something and putting it on page 5000 where no one will ever see it, or from the other side, moderating away everything you wouldn't recommend.

Likewise, if you have a feed at all, it has to be in some order. Should it show everyone's posts or only people you follow? Should it show posts by popularity or something else? Is "popularity" global, regional, only among people you follow, or using some statistics based on things you yourself have previously liked?

There is no intrinsic default. Everything is a choice.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

flir wrote: post #497
ipaddr wrote: post #476

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How can we complain that everyone is siloed and no one talks to each other and complian that their feed is full of ideas outside of the silo.

Do you think you should have full control over the web browser on the computer you own?

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”

Having the right to choose what you see doesn't mean you should choose to build yourself an ideological bubble.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by arczyx »

cleandreams wrote: post #403
ryandrake wrote: post #215

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I had a similar revulsion watching older folks in my family scroll and scroll through obvious AI slop and AI ragebait. They can't even really tell it's AI, and they just sit there gobbling it all up, even though it's 100% nonsense. I mean, on one hand, who am I to tell people what media to like and consume, but on the other hand, I kind of fear for their grip on reality.

This is not Facebook but I have a young friend who gets her news on Epstein from tiktok. She is convinced they were eating babies. I do worry (a little) that she will go over the conspiracy theories deep end. I told her tiktok news was bad "mental hygiene" but she didn't get it.

> She is convinced they were eating babies

There are indeed allegations of that, so it's not impossible. You can read it yourself here:

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA001476...

> On the yacht he witnessed babies being dismembered, their intestines removed, and individuals eating the feces from these intestines

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

keyle wrote: post #394
mbo wrote: post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

And yet, every 3-4 posts, Facebook will start interjecting posts that are outrageous, meant to create response. If she interacts with any of those, e.g. even open it wide, or stay on it a long time, BAM, more of those posts next visits. And the cycle continues and grinds your account down to a complete hellish nightmare where you hate your city, your local councils etc. It's all a rigged platform for creating divide…

I don't think that's true. I just scrolled my feed really quick, and I had to get 23 posts down before I got an even mildly controversial post. The post wasn't even anything mean, it was a screenshot of an analysis showing that the richest Americans and the Americans who donate the most money don't overlap as much as you might think.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by dingaling »

keyle wrote: post #394
mbo wrote: post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

And yet, every 3-4 posts, Facebook will start interjecting posts that are outrageous, meant to create response. If she interacts with any of those, e.g. even open it wide, or stay on it a long time, BAM, more of those posts next visits. And the cycle continues and grinds your account down to a complete hellish nightmare where you hate your city, your local councils etc. It's all a rigged platform for creating divide…

Nope, I've just opened FB in a tab. Top posts:

- Chris Hadfield using a fire extinguisher to show how rockets work

- A friend's trip to a gig

- Video of a restored TWA flight engineer training simulator

- Mountain weather for my region tomorrow

- A rare colour photo of a 1930s biplane

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