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We're no longer attracting top talent: the brain drain killing American science

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Re: We're no longer attracting top talent: the brain drain killing American science

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Post by ikrenji »

Cabal wrote: post #527
helterskelter wrote: post #319

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I just said it in another post today, but I had a family member recently die from colorectal cancer when they were on a list for a new treatment at Yale, which was canceled because of the so-called Big Beautiful Bill. The doctor who was to perform it literally said "I want you to think of this procedure in terms of a cure" when they were stage 4 for like 7 years at that point. BBB slashed funding for cutting edge med…

> The doctor who was to perform it literally said "I want you to think of this procedure in terms of a cure" I have difficulty believing a medical professional would say that.

why? state of the art therapies eg genetically reprogramming patients own immune cells to hunt cancer are curative in cases that were previously a death sentence

Re: We're no longer attracting top talent: the brain drain killing American science

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Post by ikrenji »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #20

This kind of Level 1 analysis misses what is really going on. "Brain drain" is not really a concern. There is a tremendous glut of talented biomedical researchers. We have been overproducing them for decades. Even before the cuts, it was incredibly hard to go from a PhD to a tenured professorship. 5-15% would achieve that, depending how you measured. The cuts have made things worse, but European/RoW funding is even s…

why produce less PhDs instead of fixing funding? in what world does the pentagon need 1 trillion dollars while NIH gets 10 billy or so?

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Post by viking123 »

throw478722704 wrote: post #530
mancerayder wrote: post #520

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The U.S. is under control of the Israel? We all know what you really mean. How do messages like this end up on HN? Is it the Reddit sub we have that's attracting these types of people?

They claim both that Israel is just a puppet/arm/colony of the USA, and that the USA is under the control of Israel, depending on which dog whistle or virtue signalling horn they are blowing.

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Re: We're no longer attracting top talent: the brain drain killing American science

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Post by viking123 »

throw478722704 wrote: post #531
NietzscheanNull wrote: post #524

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Highlighting Israel's inexplicably strong influence over US foreign policy is not the dog-whistle you seem to be implying it is.

It’s not inexplicable and it’s not strong if you’re not an antisemite. The US has spent orders of magnitude more defending Europe.

Calling people antisemite is all that you have left. Lets hope we get the rest of the Epstein files out.

USA is free to leave Europe and exit the bases, no one trusts them anymore anyway.

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Post by viking123 »

NietzscheanNull wrote: post #524
mancerayder wrote: post #520

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The U.S. is under control of the Israel? We all know what you really mean. How do messages like this end up on HN? Is it the Reddit sub we have that's attracting these types of people?

Highlighting Israel's inexplicably strong influence over US foreign policy is not the dog-whistle you seem to be implying it is.

They just scream antisemitism when you point that the bloodthirsty fascist leadership in Israel is trying to get US to die and fight for them in Iran even though Iran is only an issue for Israel. Save the goyim from this one and just go at it alone please.

And btw, I don't think normal Israeli people have anything to do with this stuff, it's mostly the bloodthirsty elites, the plebs in Israel like the rest of the world will take the hit while the Epstein class throws up a party.

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

danaris wrote: post #560
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #216

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Lol. No. We have to massively raise taxes JUST to keep this country afloat financially. The poor people are still fucked. I know it is exactly massively popular to say, which is why you don't see major proponents sans rando online like me.

Or, y'know, maybe the reason is more this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47058280

Hardly, my advice is real, would have a long term positive impact, while, admittedly, inflicting a lot of pain in the process. If there is any benefit to it, it would be that at least the pain would be shared equally across the board allowing for some form of 'misery loves company'.

On the other hand, your advice, at best, is happy clappy populist advice that will, temporarily make some people happy, but will not change the trajectory of the country resulting in the exact same spot only few years from implementation; and that is assuming it can be done in a way that is not immediately subverted..

If anything, I am giving you a real good reason for not just being a cynic, but being a cynic, who can make a change that lasts.

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Post by roughly »

gonzobonzo wrote: post #262
roughly wrote: post #60

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This is a thing that you don’t notice until you experience it. No more compelling argument that we’re doing something wrong as a nation than that first time stepping onto an American street after visiting a civilized country.

True, after you visit a country where the cities are entirely safe and there aren't really any bad parts, it's disheartening to return to American cities where people say: "It's really safe! Just ignore these areas, don't go out late out night, keep an eye out when you walk around, and just ignore the crazy people yelling threats at you, they probably won't do anything." Americans really put up with low standards in…

Ironically, this sort of mindset that, eg, homelessness and drug use are weeds to be trimmed, as opposed to the output of the whole of society and the economy - that homelessness is a personal flaw, not a social failing - is why America can’t effectively tackle those issues, whereas European countries can. The state of European cities is an output of European social policies, not some odd quirk of the European people.

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Post by gambiting »

ethbr1 wrote: post #529
gambiting wrote: post #468

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>>and they get deported very quickly for minor crimes As compared to that Irish guy who has been in the US concentration camp for 5 months now, the court ordered his release which ICE just ignored and they won't deport him either. Yeah, definitely sounds much better than what China is doing.

Godwin's law? It seems dismissive of the holocaust to call ICE facilities concentration camps. Unless they installed gas rooms and work until death requirements recently?

Concentration camps, work camps and extermination camps are three different things. Concentration camps have already been used by US to house Japanese citizens during WW2 and no one objects to that naming. What ICE is running is exactly this.

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

shiroiuma wrote: post #354
ProjectArcturis wrote: post #94

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Horizon Europe funds everything — physics, engineering, social sciences, climate, agriculture, digital technology, space, and health. And its budget is still less than 1/3rd of the US NIH budget focused solely on health.

Maybe, but money goes much farther in Europe than in the US. The cost of living is much lower, so you don't need to pay people so much.

Low European salaries are other reason why brain drain fears are overblown.
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