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Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by coldtea »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #543
coldtea wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it’s not just a glorified CRUD app In what way (that's not related to the difficulty of scaling it, which I already addressed separately)? The point of my comment was: "Somebody with AI cloning Reddit in a week is not as special as you make it to be, all things considering. A Reddit clone is not that difficult, it's basically a CRUD app. The difficult part of replicating it, or at least all the basics of it…

Calling Reddit a CRUD app isn’t wrong, it’s just vacuous. It strips away every part that actually makes Reddit hard. What happens when you sign up? A CRUD app shows a form and inserts a row. Reddit runs bot detection, rate limits, fingerprinting, shadow restrictions, and abuse heuristics you don’t even see, and you don’t know which ones, because that knowledge is their moat. What happens when you upvote or downvote?…

Sorry, but this reads like AI slop.

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Post by rglover »

aogaili wrote: post #326
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

What's makes you so sure of your statement? I have be building systems for 20 years and I think the author is right.

Observation.

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Post by rglover »

cookiengineer wrote: post #258
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

Come to the redteam / purpleteam side. We're having fun times right now. The definition of "every software has bugs" is now on a next level, because people don't even care about sql injection anymore. It's right built into every vibecoded codebase. Authentication and authorization is as simple as POST /api/create/admin with zero checks. Pretty much every API ever slop coded looks like this. And if it doesn't, it will…

Good lord. That's a level of carelessness that's just chef's kiss.

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Post by cryptonector »

camdenreslink wrote: post #514
pinkgolem wrote: post #433

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I mean, if you tell a chain of 100 humans to redraw a a picture i would expect it to go similar, just much faster

If you handed a human an image and said please give me back this image totally unmodified, I bet the human could do it.

Not if you were asking them to redraw the image as they saw it. That's what's happening in this particular case, only with an LLM.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by exe34 »

skydhash wrote: post #555
exe34 wrote: post #535

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okay, push notification without going through firebase. go!

Where is your copy of the android source code for the device you’re manufacturing? Because that’s how you can get the full feature set. Otherwise you will be restricted by Android aggresive suspending and killing policy.

Where did I say I was manufacturing a device? You just proved my point.

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Post by skydhash »

exe34 wrote: post #565
skydhash wrote: post #555

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Where is your copy of the android source code for the device you’re manufacturing? Because that’s how you can get the full feature set. Otherwise you will be restricted by Android aggresive suspending and killing policy.

Where did I say I was manufacturing a device? You just proved my point.

You wrote

> I would hate to have a boss/client that says "it needs to do X" and the framework writer (or SDK, ala Android/Xcode) say "no, that hurts my profits/privacy busting".

An answer to such request should be: "We would need to ship a custom version of Android". Just like if you need to setup a web server on a Linux system, you would need to be root. You don't choose a shared hosting and then complain about the lack of permissions.

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Post by squidbeak »

imiric wrote: post #398
squidbeak wrote: post #282

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I agree. We've been assured by these skeptics that models are stochastic parrots, that progress in developing them was stalling, and that skills parity with senior developers was impossible - as well as having to listen to a type of self-indulgent daydreaming relish about the eventual catastrophes companies adopting them would face. And perhaps eventually these skeptics will turn out to be right. Who knows at this st…

Pray tell, how has the world benefited from a flood of all these superhuman developers? Where is the groundbreaking software that is making our lives better ?

Is this reply meant to me? Because what I wrote was:

> But at this stage, what we're seeing is just the opposite: significant progress in model development last year, patterns for use being explored by almost every development team without widespread calamity and the first well-functioning automated workflows appearing for replacing entire teams.

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Post by mycall »

irishcoffee wrote: post #105
mycall wrote: post #64

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Isn't that what Tolkien did in his head? Write something, learn what he liked/didn't like then revise the words? Rinse/repeat. Same process here.

If Tolkien had not lived an entire life, fought in a war, been buddies with other authors, and also been a decent writer, the story doesn’t exist. And an LLM won’t come up with it. An LLM isn’t coming up with the eye of Sauron, or the entire backstory of the ring, or gollum, etc etc The LLM can’t know Tolkien had a whole universe built in his head that he worked for decades to get on to paper. I’m so tired of this wh…

In the age of OpenClaw and interest agentic processes, the LLM doesn't need to dream up everything by itself. There are tons of tools it can use. Using those tools, the LLM can generate a random world and write about that, and score it too -- with enough iterations, a best seller could pop out.

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Post by marscopter »

ineedasername wrote: post #523
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

coding agents are an order of magnitude better than they were less than a year ago: Claude code, arguable the best, didn't exist a year ago and nonetheless, is an order better than when it did in late February. It's really not a great sense of things for someone working in tech to make such a strong statement as the above given these circumstances. There is no reason to expect improvement will not continue, that agen…

> the growing awareness within the community of professional developers that ... blind trust cannot be given, and reasonable review of generated code at the end of a session is good practice.

This saddens me. It saddens me that this is a trend among professional developers. It's an old lesson. We've known it for decades. Running arbitrary code is probably not the best idea.

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