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I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by lossyalgo »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #555
lossyalgo wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else do you make your product known? In many markets, there are just too many competitors, and so the only way to make any money at all is to advertise. I also hate ads, but I also think there is a better way, and better regulation would go a long way to making ads more bearable.

You should never see an ad without seeking it out, so catalogs or something I guess. It's not my problem frankly. If having ads is so important they should have been more careful with them.

I miss catalogs! And I'm not sure that works for every kind of product. You forgot to mention door-to-door sales (not a thing outside of the US AFAIK) or cold-calling potential customers (only applicable for certain types of products), good old word-of-mouth (need to get lucky and reach "influencers"), or throw tupperware-type parties. There are surely other methods as well.

Re: being careful

Any system created by humans will be abused unless regulated. And even then, there will always be loopholes which will be abused until punished (and even punishment might not be a proper deterrent if it can be calculated as a cost of business. (Yes I'm arguing for and against you, just thinking out loud basically ;)

edit: grammar

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by ben_w »

lossyalgo wrote: post #560
ben_w wrote: post #549

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> there are just too many competitors This ought to be a signal that the market is already being served, that it is unlikely to be a big opportunity to make more money. Even with advertising, what you have in such a market is an all-pay auction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-pay_auction The end point is nobody makes any profit on apps, because all the money that ought to be profit goes to paying for a bidding war…

"The market" is no longer your local neighborhood, it's often the entire globe.

I know that.

In fact, more than know, I assumed the only category under discussion were at a minimum nation-scale, what with local knowledge not requiring online advertising as a sign on a building is enough for local neighbourhoods.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

wookmaster wrote: post #556
manuelabeledo wrote: post #551

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Then I don’t know what to tell you. I just opened the app again, and right there in the home section I’m seeing an ad for the Super Bowl in Peacock. If you don’t get that, great, but I’m far from the only one complaining about it.

All I see is shrinking I. Home and Apple TV page. May e you have peacock linked? I do t use peacock

You can control what apps are allowed to put trailers in the home screen.

It sounds like the OP is complaining about Apple when they should be complaining about Peacock.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by andrepd »

ufmace wrote: post #505
andrepd wrote: post #477

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A VPN helps. You can essentially mix your traffic with thousands of other people.

I think a VPN likely hurts more than it helps. Maybe they can't tell your IP address anymore, but they have a ton of ways of tracking through it anyways. It probably hurts more by marking you as someone willing to shell out too much money for snake-oil security products.

Lol. I use a vpn every day to access geofenced content abroad. It also provides extra layer of anonymity by giving you a different address which is the same for everyone going through that server. Which was what the question was about. Other types of tracking can be mitigated on your end.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by andrepd »

snailmailman wrote: post #406
WarmWash wrote: post #113

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Generally if all the ads you see are scammy, it means you probably are using some form of tracking/privacy protection. When an ad network has a strong profile on you, legitimate companies pay good money for those ad slots. When they don't really know who you are, only bottom feeders bid on the ad slots you see. In a way, it almost acts as retribution for not submitting to the anti-privacy machine.

I used to run YouTube with “ad targeting” turned off. The ads were 100% scams. Lots of AI slop. Deepfakes of celebrities pitching all sorts of scams. Lots of nsfw products and even occasionally illegal things like drugs or guns. Also lots of ads in languages I do not speak. I recently learned that if you turn on ad targeting you can block certain ads and never see them again. So I’ve turned it on just to block the wo…

Try newpipe to use YouTube without ads.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by manuelabeledo »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #563
wookmaster wrote: post #556

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All I see is shrinking I. Home and Apple TV page. May e you have peacock linked? I do t use peacock

You can control what apps are allowed to put trailers in the home screen. It sounds like the OP is complaining about Apple when they should be complaining about Peacock.

I don’t have Peacock either.

It would be great if folks would stop assuming this is on me and not Apple. There are Peacock ads in the TV app Home Screen, and they are targeted to One Family and Premier subscribers.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by pndy »

shmeeed wrote: post #528
sanex wrote: post #423

Those old retiring leatherworker ads were really making the rounds on YouTube a few months ago. Got me to click but Spidey senses went off.

I'm surprised it's such a big thing. Is this a style of ad common in the US? To me the whole premise always seemed ridiculously fishy. Why would a retiring artisan commission a Youtube ad campaign, of all things?

The first variants of this type of scam have appeared in Poland some 3-4 years ago on facebook. A poor private business owner had to close his/her/their business due to retiring, or place being devastated after the robbery or by fireworks explosion. And they're in a dire need of selling all their goods at a very attractive prices fast.

There were leatherworkers, tailors, shoe makers, or as below jewellers/goldsmiths

https://old.reddit.com/r/Polska/comments/1ltpt35 - from 7 months ago, this one also comes with a fake review from "Żuromin A." - which isn't even a male name but the name of a small village in northern Masovian voivodeship

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #566
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can control what apps are allowed to put trailers in the home screen. It sounds like the OP is complaining about Apple when they should be complaining about Peacock.

I don’t have Peacock either. It would be great if folks would stop assuming this is on me and not Apple. There are Peacock ads in the TV app Home Screen, and they are targeted to One Family and Premier subscribers.

We are assuming it’s you because nobody else sees it nor does it seem to be reported on. Something doesn’t add up.

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by manuelabeledo »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #568
manuelabeledo wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t have Peacock either. It would be great if folks would stop assuming this is on me and not Apple. There are Peacock ads in the TV app Home Screen, and they are targeted to One Family and Premier subscribers.

We are assuming it’s you because nobody else sees it nor does it seem to be reported on. Something doesn’t add up.

Look it up in Reddit, then [0]. Or re-read this thread. I’m far from the only one having this experience.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/appletv/comments/1pgyfcx/the_peacoc...

Re: I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams

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Post by akdev1l »

esskay wrote: post #545
akdev1l wrote: post #493

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I like Apple Arcade because it has non-shittified versions of classic games Like Angry Birds, the official version is fucked up to the gills with ads

Sure, but in another time you'd have paid ~$2.99 for the ad-free version one-time, and carried on using it. They intentionally deleted that version of the game, screwing over everyone who did so, then quietly launched the same game again, removing the ad-free one time purchase option.

I mean yeah, fuck Rovio or whatever
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