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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by klez »

cubefox wrote: post #463
moolcool wrote: post #55

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> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers. The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

> The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography. Do you have any evidence for that? As far as I can tell, this is false. The only thing I saw was Grok changing photos of adults into them wearing bikinis, which is far less bad.

That's why this is an investigation looking for evidence and not a conviction.

This is how it works, at least in civil law countries. If the prosecutor has reasonable suspicious that a crime is taking place they send the so-called "judiciary police" to gather evidence. If they find none (or they're inconclusive etc...) the charges are dropped, otherwise they ask the court to go to trial.

On some occasions I take on judiciary police duties for animal welfare. Just last week I participated in a raid. We were not there to arrest anyone, just to gather evidence so the prosecutor could decide whether to press charges and go to trial.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by cess11 »

exodust wrote: post #531
mnewme wrote: post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by KaiserPro »

free652 wrote: post #264
niemandhier wrote: post #221

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If that training involves destroying evidence or withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow it.

>withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow. Prosecution must present a valid search warrant for *specific* information. They don't get a carte blanche, so uber way is correct. lock computers and lets the courts to decide.

In common law/4th amendment, kinda. Once you have a warrant, then the word reasonable comes into play. Its reasonable to assume that the data you want is on the devices of certain people. if incidental data/evidence is also procured that was reasonably likely to contain said data, then its fair game

In the civil code, its quite possibly different. The french have had ~ 3 constitutions in the last 80 years. The also dont have the concept of case history. who knows what the law actually is.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by joe_mamba »

amelius wrote: post #556
joe_mamba wrote: post #540

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How? THat's like the 1993 moral panic that video games like Doom cause mass shootings, or the 1980's mass panic that metal music causes satanist, or the 1950s moral panic that superhero comic book violence leads to juvenile delinquency. Politicians are constantly looking for an external made up enemy to divert attention to from the real problems. People like Epstein and mass woman/child exploitation have existed for…

Another line of reasoning is that with more fake CP it is more difficult to research the real CP hunt down the perpetrators and consequently save children.

Oh yeah, because the main reason why EPstein and his guests got away with it for so long, is because there was so much low hanging CP out there confusing authorities and prosecutors, not because of the corruption, cronyism and political protection they enjoyed at the highest levels of government.

Do you guys even hear yourselves?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by muyuu »

Palmik wrote: post #552
muyuu wrote: post #532

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Frankly it sounds to me like a "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" kind of operation. France and the UK, and judging by yesterday's speech by the PM of Spain maybe the whole EU might be looking to do what China and Russia did earlier on and start cracking down on foreign social media by making it impossible to operate without total alignment with their vision and not just their (new) rules. Together with a…

> EU might be looking to do what China and Russia did earlier on and start cracking down on foreign social media For some reason you forgot to mention "Like the US did with TikTok".

that was decades later, but yea I don't think for a second that was justifiable - not even considering that China had completely closed shop for America decades earlier and this was a 1-way openness relationship for a long time; they could have sold this as a reciprocity issue but they didn't

esp. when America already controls the main outlets through Android Play Store and Apple Store, and yep, they have proven to control them not just happen to host them as a country

arguably America did have valid security concerns with Huawei though, but if those are the rules then you cannot complain later on

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by SiempreViernes »

joe_mamba wrote: post #538
ilogik wrote: post #536

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The UK is also opening investigations into the Esptein stuff. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/starmers-government-aids-po... Unlike the US administration which seems to be fine with what epstein and X are doing

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What's this comment about? Do you think no other CSAM distribution should be investigated until the stuff in Epstein files is sorted?

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Post by n4r9 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #529
exodust wrote: post #528

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You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour?

Also, it seems pretty likely that Musk is tangled up with the Epstein shit. First Musk claimed he turned down offer to go to the island. Now it turns out Musk repeatedly sought to visit, including wanting to know when the "wildest" party was happening, after Epstein was already known as a child sex abuser. Musk claimed that Epstein had never been given a tour of SpaceX but it turns out he did in 2013. It's the classic narcissistic "lie for as long as possible" behaviour. Will be interesting to see what happens as more is revealed.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by myrmidon »

exodust wrote: post #531
mnewme wrote: post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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There are multiple valid reasons to fight realistic computer-generated CSAM content.

Uncontrolled profileration of AI-CSAM makes detection of "genuine" data much harder, prosecution of perpetrators more difficult and specifically in many of the grok cases it harms young victims that were used as templates for the material.

Content is unacceptable if its proliferation causes sufficient harm, and this is arguably the case here.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by GordonS »

ilogik wrote: post #536
joe_mamba wrote: post #529

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The UK is also opening investigations into the Esptein stuff. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/starmers-government-aids-po... Unlike the US administration which seems to be fine with what epstein and X are doing

Except Starmer is making sure that the "investigation" is hobbled - anything seemed important to "national security" will be excluded!

The UK's "investigation" is a farce.

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