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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

bityard wrote: post #371
whyenot wrote: post #183

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Yes, but HN still has a strong culture of considering both sides, excellent moderation, and some measures to help nudge people in the right direction. For example, right now I can only upvote your comment. I am not given an option to downvote it. That's a good thing!

> a strong culture of considering both sides Ah, no, the HN commentorship is quite highly biased toward a particular demographic and set of political beliefs, which is a thing that needs to be acknowledged. "Considering both sides" is not something I've ever seen as common practice in any organic online community I've been a part of, full stop. HN's redeeming quality over much of the rest of the web is that low-effor…

> HN commentorship is quite highly biased toward a particular demographic and set of political beliefs

I don't know whether this is true, but I've seen exactly the same "complaint" from both sides of the USA political spectrum (USA politics are overrepresented for obvious reasons).

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

snigsnog wrote: post #342
whyenot wrote: post #183

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Yes, but HN still has a strong culture of considering both sides, excellent moderation, and some measures to help nudge people in the right direction. For example, right now I can only upvote your comment. I am not given an option to downvote it. That's a good thing!

It's because you're new. Powerusers can downvote and even flag comments. A couple flags and the comment is (by default) invisible. Enough flagged comments and your comments are flagged by default. There's a reason this place is called orange reddit

Sorry, but 50 day old accounts shouldn't so confidently (yet incorrectly) explain HN to other users. This is not really how it works.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

UltraSane wrote: post #199
cheeseface wrote: post #118

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Agree on how the platform’s have changed. However, I don’t think Reddit is an exception. Popular is often filled with content that is driven by the feelings of fear and hate. Not something I’d like to continually expose kids or teens to.

I've been on reddit long enough to get sick of the constant reposts. They really should have a filter for that.

But this is antithetical to what Reddit is. It's not like StackExchange websites, where the whole point is to create a database of canonical questions and answers. Reddit doesn't have some basic forum functionality by design.

I've once talked to a person connected to someone at Reddit Inc, and they indirectly confirmed this (in retrospect it was very obvious).

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by enaaem »

carlosjobim wrote: post #492
enaaem wrote: post #430

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Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic. State level resources are being thrown to influence people. So you are being beamed some government propaganda anyway. I grew up in the forum days and internet discussions were very different back then. Accounts like “Endwokeness” would never work. People will make fun of him for being so obsessed with trans. You can’t just post some low effort political openings and wa…

> Content on social media nowadays isn’t organic. Billions of people are posting real organic content on places like Instagram and Facebook. Their vacations, their workouts, their barbecues with friends, their thoughts and feelings on different matters. What you're saying is the opposite of truth.

The topic at hand was state propaganda and BBQ recipes are outside the scope of state propaganda. Perhaps I should have made that more clear that this is only applied to political topics.

But you do point out something interesting. I still follow football sites and football is still outside of the scope of state propaganda. Although you definitely have tribalism and biased fans and pundits, the vibe is completely different from any political topic.

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Post by direwolf20 »

Arainach wrote: post #544
direwolf20 wrote: post #535

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Europe is more bureaucratic. You have to register with the government to say you host user content and respond to abuse reports, and then respond to abuse reports, and you're shielded.

No, the reality is far worse - and prohibitively expensive in time and money to any individual as opposed to large corporation. https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/401475/

seems like their complaints are in two areas: bureaucracy to register, and needing to respond to abuse reports. Which is what I said.

They complain about hiring a moderation team to respond to abuse reports? How are they doing it now? Do they not respond?

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Post by attendant3446 »

stevage wrote: post #557
attendant3446 wrote: post #520

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Tbh, anything that is not a proprietary closed garden. Why access to the clubs/interest groups now requires to compromise the privacy?

Wait, you're saying that using Signal or Telegram is compromising privacy? I'm really curious what you're hoping for?

For starters, not sending a notification "he is now using this app!" to everyone who has my phone number.

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Post by intended »

shevy-java wrote: post #246
SauntSolaire wrote: post #221

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Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

But one problem on reddit were the mods. It was why I retired. Bots and AI spam can be annoying but mods that lock you out of discussions are much worse.

I heartily recommend people volunteer for moderation. There’s tons of subs that need help, and the more diversity of voices in conversations like this, the better.

Modding is a shit show, and being on the other side can be quite the experience.

The more people who can chime in, the better as a society we can figure out what needs to be done.

Right now it’s rough for users, and insane for mods.

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Post by oliwarner »

direwolf20 wrote: post #402
oliwarner wrote: post #193

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I use old.reddit.com but I feel like I have complete control over what I see. It's new posts, I check them and then I leave. That's what I've lost on Facebook. It forces me to see things its algorithm thinks I like, but more often than not, it's things that make me want to argue. I don't have that on Reddit. Long may it last.

That feeling of controlling your feed. It's just a feeling. Carefully calibrated so you feel like you can do something without doing it.

The feeling have is that we don't browse the internet in the same way.

RSS for HN and other specific sites I want updates about. old.reddit/r/.../new pages. A third party app for YouTube to just view new things from people I subscribe to.

I definitely have fight harder and harder to, browse like it's 2006, avoid the Algoslop Train, but it is possible more places than you'd think.

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Post by embedding-shape »

tormeh wrote: post #530
bostik wrote: post #443

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That number alone is a very good reason for the industry to target as much of it as they can / dare. You say "sudreddit". Marketing teams say "self-selecting target segment".

You'd think so, and yet Reddit adds suck.

There are two different "ads" we're discussing here. One is the ads reddit the platform allows you to pay for, and it shows up in the client(s) as ads. Another is the type of ad where a company reaches out to community members and ask them to post about their project/product in exchange for a static sum, which looks like "normal posts" but are actually sponsored content.

The first one sucks for a multitude of reasons, the second one you basically don't notice are ads, yet they're all over reddit.

Can't say I know how it looks everywhere on reddit, as I'm not everywhere on reddit, but the AI subreddits I referenced earlier are filled with it, and I've even received offers myself to get paid to pay about stuff and I'm a nobody, so surely I only know of the surface.

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Post by lm28469 »

pibaker wrote: post #367
lm28469 wrote: post #127

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Good, less people will waste their lives talking to bots and other low value activities

>logs into his seven year old five digit karma hackernews account >tells people to stop talking online

I'm not quite sure what your point is, but if you continue to post at your current rate you'll have twice as much "karma" as I have in 7 years...
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