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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by christophilus »

Gimpei wrote: post #445

Isn’t the more fundamental question why Europe has not been as successful as the US or China in building a native tech industry despite having a huge market? What are the barriers to creating startups and how can you lower them and preserve the enviable European social model? Solve that and you’ll solve the problem of a native cloud.

China has a huge population that mostly speaks Mandarin. The US has a smaller, but relatively wealthy population that mostly speaks English. Europe is a hodgepodge of languages, cultures, and regulatory environments. That’s a beautiful thing, but it’s not an efficient thing from a business perspective.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by exe34 »

cmenge wrote: post #498

1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

> given the incarcerations in the UK and Germany

Could you say a few more words on this - it sounds quite concerning.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by cung »

zkmon wrote: post #560

A story I read goes thus: A nicely dressed young man was waiting at a bus stop in a rural part of India. He need go to a nearby city. Suddenly clouds gathered and it started to pour down heavily. He took shelter in a chai (tea) shed beside the bus stop. The chaiwala (tea shop owner) announced that the bus is cancelled for the day as road was damaged due to the heavy rain. The young man looked worried and tried to go…

I'm missing something. What is the point of this story?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by locknitpicker »

jamesbelchamber wrote: post #553
locknitpicker wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The whole post is a gish gallop of half truths and nonsense.

> The whole post is a gish gallop of half truths and nonsense.

That is indeed true. OP fails to raise a single point that either makes sense or is grounded on reality. Sometimes I wonder where consuming propaganda stops and wilful ignorance starts.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by zkmon »

cung wrote: post #563
zkmon wrote: post #560

A story I read goes thus: A nicely dressed young man was waiting at a bus stop in a rural part of India. He need go to a nearby city. Suddenly clouds gathered and it started to pour down heavily. He took shelter in a chai (tea) shed beside the bus stop. The chaiwala (tea shop owner) announced that the bus is cancelled for the day as road was damaged due to the heavy rain. The young man looked worried and tried to go…

I'm missing something. What is the point of this story?

The point is, things are not that scary as the seller would like you to believe. Europe has or can build everything it needs,

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by amunozo »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

I am no expert but making an office suite seems like a joke compared to getting the hardware to replicate the cloud providers, which should be imo the first priority.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by mvelbaum »

202508042147 wrote: post #161
rookonaut wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you disclose which European cloud provider you chose?

We went with Hetzner as we already had good experiences with their VPSes. For this particular db migration, a resonably sized VPS with volumes does the job for us. We don't have planet scale operations so the lowish IOPS is not an issue atm. Also, with this experience at hand, I am confident that we'll manage another migration if need be.

do you use FDE on your hetzner instances? I couldn't find a guarantee that they properly dispose of block storage so I ended up developing a utility for this https://github.com/mvelbaum/hetzner-fde-toolkit

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by Zigurd »

throwaway902984 wrote: post #534
Zigurd wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

Are you asking a rhetorical question or making a statement?

Ambiguity is a thing.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by amunozo »

Gimpei wrote: post #445

Isn’t the more fundamental question why Europe has not been as successful as the US or China in building a native tech industry despite having a huge market? What are the barriers to creating startups and how can you lower them and preserve the enviable European social model? Solve that and you’ll solve the problem of a native cloud.

No need, it was much more comfortable to stay in known sectors such as banking, industry or tourism. Now there is a real need so I'm positive things will change.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by Hrun0 »

christophilus wrote: post #561
Gimpei wrote: post #445

Isn’t the more fundamental question why Europe has not been as successful as the US or China in building a native tech industry despite having a huge market? What are the barriers to creating startups and how can you lower them and preserve the enviable European social model? Solve that and you’ll solve the problem of a native cloud.

China has a huge population that mostly speaks Mandarin. The US has a smaller, but relatively wealthy population that mostly speaks English. Europe is a hodgepodge of languages, cultures, and regulatory environments. That’s a beautiful thing, but it’s not an efficient thing from a business perspective.

> China has a huge population that mostly speaks Mandarin.

It's about incentives. The Chinese had to come up with their own solutions because of their firewall.

Maybe it's time for a European firewall?

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