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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Sometimes I think the 30% was supposed to be 3% originally, and no one noticed the decimal was in the wrong place when they shipped it, and then people paid it anyway, so they kept it. 30% is just so unreasonable that it would be totally understandable if someone would believe this.

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#562

The wealthiest company in the world really needs that last little bit from those Patreon creators who have it way too easy in their lives. It's not as if the people that take that meager bit of cash are going to invest it in Apple stock so they're going to have to pay up. The Mafia can learn a thing or two from Cook.

I guess that's how you become the wealthiest company in the world.

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Apple’s App Store profits on commissions from digital sales Revenue $32 B Operating Costs $7 B [1] Estimated Profit $25 B Operating Margin ~78% [1] R&D, security, hosting, human review, and including building and maintaining developer tools Xcode, APIs, and SDKs. Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. Fun Fact: During the Epic trial, it was revealed that Apple's profit margins on the App Store were…

> force regulators to step in

> force

> regulators

That's my whole problem, personally.

What we need much, much less of in this world is government force, especially during these trying times of government force and outreach (something I expected my more left side of the isle colleagues to have finally realized by now).

COIVD really was a test of how much governmental draconianism we would take, and we failed spectacularly, and not only that, but are demanding more government.

So no, we don't need more regulation, especially given this country's history of regulatory capture. We need new solutions.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#564

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> If Apple can legally claim 30% of your salary then a doctor using an iPad to demonstrate results of a scan to a patient has to pay Apple 30% of their consultation fee. Apple could absolutely do this. They could say that professional medical use of macOS requires a commercial license, and the price of that commercial licence could be linked to revenue. Doctors - or rather their hospital IT/procurement departments -…

If that were legally enforcable, which is almost certainly not the case, Microsoft and Google could do the same, making your argument moot in this context.

Heard of the word "contract"?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#565

I still can't believe developers love to work for this feudal overlord. They are building a wall around our profession. Have a little foresight and move your business elsewhere.

It's not so much that I love giving 30% to Apple, and more that there is no way to move your business elsewhere because Apple monopolizes mobile app distribution. And the other half of the mobile app market is monopolized by Google who copies the pricing model while delivering even worse (if any) service to developers. It's either getting out of mobile apps or paying up. This is not going to change without drastic st…

You know some of us remember Mac System [7|8|9] and how MSFT pretty much ruled everything (Apple had low %).

We kept working on the platform and developing tools and things changed. Of course Apple is a lot more powerful than MSFT back then and the general population is their target.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Why could Apple not charge a percentage for any user using their mobile device? Why would it be limited to app store?

Because they don't control those. Apple could choose to only allow users to access websites that pay them a bit 30% fee, but users would notice the web was turned off on their device. They don't notice when the app store does it.

I don't think people would notice if Apple just made the website behind a paywall. Most people are not going to be aware that they can access the same content without paying a fee to Apple. They may only even have an Apple device to access the internet, so they'd just see it as normal

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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The problem is the monopoly over distribution channels. Regulation needs to force devices to allow A) downloading and using packages & executables from the internet, and B) any app to download and install other apps. Regulating the fees for one central app store is no solution.

> downloading and using packages & executables from the internet Oh boy, now my mom can get the full experience of having malware on her phone too!

Let's not put everybody in a cage because we can't stop dumb people from walking off cliffs.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I actually love Apple for pushing this matter this hard and sticking to its guns. This will bring in more regulatory scrutiny not just in the U.S. but in other countries as well. That will force Apple to give up (maybe in a decade or so) this practice of arbitrary rules and squeezing the last penny from others. Thanks a lot, Eddy Cue, for all that you do to bring Apple down to its knees!

Tim Cook has been spending a lot of time sucking up to Donald Trump recently, so I think the U.S. federal government will only be assisting Apple

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#569

Sometimes I think the 30% was supposed to be 3% originally, and no one noticed the decimal was in the wrong place when they shipped it, and then people paid it anyway, so they kept it. 30% is just so unreasonable that it would be totally understandable if someone would believe this.

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this is sarcasm, right?

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

#570
Can someone explain how much of value the iOS app is to users? I'm a noob at Patreon, aren't creators receiving their support through the website's payment gateway already? I'm not really against a company setting the rules if it's their platform, if the market cannot accept it then alternatives (competitors) will eventually find new ways.
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