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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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I’ve never seen a set of voluntary fall guys like Noem, Patel and Miller. (And Hegseth for when a military operation fails.)

Miller is not the fall guy. The other clowns, yes, but not him. He's the most hard-core fascist in the bunch.

> Miller is not the fall guy. The other clowns, yes, but not him

He’s going to jail in a way Trump isn’t. That’s ultimately a fall guy.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Unless they compel people at gunpoint (which prevents the government from bringing a case), they will probably not have much luck with this. As soon as a user sets up a passcode or other lock on their phone, it is beyond the ability of even most parts of the US government to look inside. It's much more likely that the government convinces one member of the group chat to turn on the other members and give up their pho…

> it is beyond the ability of even most parts of the US government to look inside. I'm sure the Israeli spyware companies can help with that. Although then they'd have to start burning their zero days to just go after protestors, which I doubt they're willing to do. I imagine they like to save those for bigger targets.

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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This is one of the reasons it's crucial that the next set of secure messaging systems does away with tying real phone numbers to accounts. One phone gets compromised and the whole network is identified with their phone numbers.

Zangi does this. No idea on their overall security posture compared to Signal, however.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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No, of course not. I don’t think it’s a crime to be punished. I’m just saying I think you’re helping an authoritarian regime, and I think that’s bad. I’m saying it because I think you should feel shame, not to suggest you should be punished beyond those basic social consequences.

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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No, they haven’t. This kind of advocacy crosses from lazy nihilism to negligence.

They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government.

> They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government

Elected branches. Subject to further contests in months. That’s now how fascists endgame.

It’s stupid and wrong to claim fascists have won in America. The only people peddling this lie are fascists who can read polls.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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This is one of the reasons it's crucial that the next set of secure messaging systems does away with tying real phone numbers to accounts. One phone gets compromised and the whole network is identified with their phone numbers.

Gee, like any of competing systems like Session.

Session is a low-privacy fork of Signal.

source:

https://soatok.blog/2025/01/14/dont-use-session-signal-fork/

hn discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42707409

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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No. According to the latest reports, while searching for ICE vehicles, the protesters are unlawfully scanning license plates, which strongly suggests they are receiving insider help.

There is nothing unlawful about scanning license plates. You are allowed to photograph them in the same way you are allowed to stand around writing them into a notebook if that activity is your idea of fun. Where do people get these ideas?!

I think the idea was that they were getting people associated with Minnesota DPS to do lookups on the plates.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#568
- Don't join giant group chats unless you're Whiskey Pete inviting journalists into a "clean" opsec group.

- Know others very personally or not at all.

- Don't take a phone to any event without it being in a proven good RF blocking bag.. I wished they made a bag that allowed taking pictures and video with audio.

- New people can potentially be liabilities such as crazy, stupid, undercover cops or adversaries, and/or destructive without a care.

- Avoid people who think violence is "the way" because there's rarely a positive or politically-acceptable offramp for it.

- Destruction of property can be effective non-violent resistance in limited circumstances, e.g., The Boston Tea Party, but that's becoming a criminal in the eyes of the current regime and 95% of rebellions fail.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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I don't think it's much of a problem at all. Many of the protesters and observers are not hiding their identities, so finding their phone number isn't a problem. Even with content, coordinating legal activities isn't a problem either.

Government intimidation of the practice of constitutional rights... what ever could go wrong.

That seems like a weak argument.

I mean, carrying a weapon is a 2nd amendment right, but if I bring it to a protest and then start intimidating people with it, the police going after me is not "Government intimidation of the practice of constitutional rights".

Protesting is a constitution right, but if you break the law while protesting, you're fair game for prosecution.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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There seems to be wild speculation about freedom of speech rights or hacking Signal. The FBI simply joined groupchats and read them. This is trivial stuff.

Seems like there are hundreds of people in those groups. Can't be hard to get into for some skilled undercover cops. TV shows have shown me they do these things all the time!

It would help if they stopped holding demonstrations in front of facilities with huge amounts of facial recognition technology.

Protesting is not something you should do "casually."

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