Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning • Hacker News Board

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by prophesi » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:05 AM UTC

zahlman wrote: post #265

fzeroracer wrote: post #260

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> Frankly if you don't change your opinion after this, then I'm going to either assume you're a federal agent attempting to maintain the propaganda line or so absolutely psychotic that you belong well and away from proper society. I am not watching your videos just because you said this. I approached the situation with a respectful disagreeing opinion and the information available to me. Everyone else here is being u…

Not OP, and not going to call you a fed or psychotic, but I recommend watching the videos if you'd like to form an educated opinion on this situation.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by lovich » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:06 AM UTC

mvdtnz wrote: post #470

dragontamer wrote: post #76

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> The video clearly shows him resisting arrest and reaching for something. The video clearly shows the grey-masked (EDIT: Grey-hat, green mask) ICE Agent taking the gun and running away with it before everyone else shoots him. Also, I'm inclined to believe the "arrest" was an illegal arrest to begin with. I had a big post about how police procedure and due process is supposed to work but I know no one gives a crap ab…

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How the fuck do you watch that video and think the guy who was shot is the one assaulting the woman with a red backpack?

The ICE agent does an almost comical shove to that woman, then the shot guy and her are pepper sprayed, and he tries to help them up.

You are actively lying or schizophrenic. If anyone disagrees with that assesment watch the video he linked.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by sleight42 » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:10 AM UTC

crote wrote: post #461

rich_sasha wrote: post #55

IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best , increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do…

> what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? What makes you believe ICE is going to follow a judge's orders? They are already routinely violating it when it comes to deporting people. Or, if you want to be even more pessimistic: what makes you believe the current Supreme Court is going to rule based on law, instead of based on political affiliation? The USA's balance of power is horribly broken.…

Regardless of judicial rulings of any sort, who will enforce them? Seemingly all of the enforcement apparatus in the US has been co-opted.

The individual state governments aren't meaningfully resisting. Their law enforcement isn't arresting "federal agents" to put them through state legal system. These perps should be jailed and forced to appeal before a judge for a bail hearing, possibly held without bail as they are clearly threats, and then put on trial in a state court.

Without this, where is the enforcement?

The classic question: who watches the watchmen? Right now, no one.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by SauciestGNU » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:10 AM UTC

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #559

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I would probably not do that, but it's not illegal to carry a gun. Who knows if he set out to protest or if he just was in the area and spontaneously decided to record when he observed federal agents? He could be one of many Americans who carry a gun regularly. Maybe he didn't intend to do any protesting or anything at all.

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I don't see any evidence that he was resisting. His hands were on the ground and he allowed himself to be disarmed. I did not hear any commands before the dogpile and subsequent gunshots. If I'm missing something please tell me what to listen for in the videos and I'll watch again.

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Post by allturtles » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:11 AM UTC

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #550

oenton wrote: post #545

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> Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting ? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting , everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)

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Because they are irrelevant victim-blaming.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by assimpleaspossi » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:12 AM UTC

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I don't think the phrasing of "confront law enforcement" is right here, in a period of about 20 seconds he went from helping a woman who had been pushed, to maced in the face, to dead. This is not confrontation, you can literally see him clutching the woman he had previously been helping up in a panic after they were sprayed with chemicals. But setting all of that aside (which is a big aside), even if he was confront…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by prophesi » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:12 AM UTC

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #550

oenton wrote: post #545

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> Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting ? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting , everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)

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The friends I know with concealed carry tend to keep it on them to feel safe, and partly just out of habit / feeling fulfilled in exercising their 2A right.

Not related to this situation, but in the city I live in, it's better to keep it on your person than in your car because kids are breaking into cars precisely because they know people from the suburbs visiting downtown might have one in their glove box.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by wahnfrieden » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:14 AM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

It won’t be up to the Minnesota police to investigate. A Minnesota judge gave them a warrant and feds still denied them access.

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Post by cosmicgadget » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:14 AM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #518

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If only the courts has some experience arbitrating intent and negligence. You've truly found a loophole.

My point is that the OPs goal of preventing transactions with federal employees is impractical, so I'm not sure what you want me to say here.

You could talk about the goal of drastically diminishing transactions with federal employees.

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Post by sleight42 » Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 2:15 AM UTC

crote wrote: post #463

hdgvhicv wrote: post #429

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A civilised country can not be destroyed by one king, nor saved by a new leader. America has checks and balances, and they have failed. There’s no “wait 3 years”, that’s over, as America will always be one election away from anarchy or worse. The only way out is the Republican Party impeaching him and spending the next 10 years undoing the damage at the top and next 40 year rebuilding civil society.

> America has checks and balances, and they have failed. America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.

Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside.

"The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so it may be a check upon both, as both..."

— John Adams

And our government doesn't have that necessary firebreak. Justice is part of the Executive.

Source: https://www.mass.gov/guides/john-adams-architect-of-american...